Eragon's next sword (Theories)
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before this starts: I couldn't be bothered reading this entire block of text, so I'm not sure if this is mentioned by someone else later, but it's not necessarily a sword, Solembum just said that Eragon must look under the Menoa Tree for a weapon -- Argetlam101 03:38, 31 August 2008 (CDT)
I think that in the third book Oromis and Glaedr will die and as his last gift to Eragon Oromis will give Earagon his sword or Eragon and the new rider will have swords made for them
The sword that is under the Menao tree is Brom's sword. He said he lost it years ago, and maybe blagden found it and hid it under the roots of the Menoa tree. I am almost sure of it. -Slammus Aran
I think that Rhunon will make a sword and place it under the Menoa tree where Eragon will find it so she isn't literally making the sword for him, she was just making a sword. -bjartskulars
I think Eragon could get his next sword from Rhunon even though she took an oath, or if she refused to make him another one (Solenbum said to look under the Bold textMenoa tree when ever he needed a weapon) he could either find the first Eragon's sword or Brom's sword. -Anonymous
Eragon wont literally look under the Menoa Tree's roots, he will look for the tree's origin kind of like your family's roots are probably in Europe or somewhere. He will look for the tree's origin, and then he will get his sword (most likely Brom's sword because it is blue like Saphira).--Murtagh5
Now, it could be either. He cold look for relations to the woman who sung herself into the Menoa tree, and they might have Brom's sword (For whatever reason) Or he could look under the roots of the actual Menoa tree. Either way could happen. --Kystra 11:23, 7 January 2007 (EST)
Brom could have also hidden his sword under the Menoa tree....just a thought, as it is only PRESUMED to be missing in the battle where Brom's dragon died. He could have burried it under the Meno tree, and Eragon will take Solembum's advice and look in the roots of the Menoa tree. -bjartskulars
I believe that Eragon will find the sword amongst the relatives of the elf who sung herself into the Menoa tree, as the roots of the Menoa Tree mean origin, not literal roots. Also, it is possible that it is the first Eragon's sword, however since the colour of his dragon is unknown, that is hard to tell. I also agree with the theory that Brom is Eragon's father, and have suspected it since the first book, when Brom stated that he had spent enough time with her to know of her compassion. --- Juan pablo
Well, I think the roots thing with looking into history (the origin) is wrong for one reason. Solembum said "under". Some of you think this might not matter, but if I said "Look under the origin," it makes no sense. Also, while Eragon won't get Brom's sword from a family, he could get it from under the tree. The reason he wont get it from a family is that Rhunon said those swords belonged to the wyrdfell (Forsworn). Brom was not one so neither of the swords is his. I think that after his Saphira was killed and he went crazy, he went back to Ellesmera. Rhunon said that he had been persistent enough in wanting a new sword that Oromis had to knock him out. That proves that he was there. He was also crazy then, so he would forget were he was when he lost it (under the Menoa tree). Who said he had to loss it in the battle? There is also the possibility of the first Eragon's sword, but I think that is unlikely. I'm sticking with the whole "father's sword" thing.- Leon
Eragon lost his sword to Murtagh, as we all know. Earlier in the book, the sword maker Rhunon told Eragon that there were still two of her swords left in existence besides Oromis' and Morzan's, guarded by trustworthy families. Eragon will most likely go to one of these two families and ask for the sword they are guarding. I assume that these families are all elves, so it makes sense that their sword would be hidden near the Menoa Tree. -Anonymous
I doubt there will be that much if any amount of time between book two and three. There was only a day or so between one and two, and now would not be the greatest of places to present a time lapse of any large amount of time. Until his permanent sword is obtained, I think he'll use either a standard sword, or none at all (he has a nice elven bow). Eragon has already left the area where he fought Murtagh, and he would have gotten the sword then, but he didn't, and I doubt that Murtagh would have dropped his hand and a half sword.-Leon
I agree with the whole time lapse thing. There wouldn't be enough time to forge a good enough sword. Although I also agree with the Murtagh thing, I also think that he would need something strong enough to fight the Ra'zac. What if he gets the kind of sword Angela has? It is possible, but it would still be up to chance. I'm at a lost now with his current weapon, but I do know that he will get one of two swords, Brom's or the original Eragon's sword. Now all we need to know is where.--Eragon man 04:59, 22 February 2007 (EST)
I think Eragon's next sword will be made by Orik. He is a master smith (or at least that is how he describes himself when he visits Eragon drunk with felnavir) and he did visit Rhunon after the blood oath celebration and was shown her craft. Perhaps he was even instructed by her. Ikokki 14:22, 27 February 2007 (EST)
I have a feeling that when the elves learn that Murtagh is a new Rider and has taken Zar'roc from Eragon, whoever has the remaining Rider's swords will send one to Eragon who is with the Varden.-Axle Grease 18:35, 8 March 2007 (EST)
For all of you who think he won't I think he will. Solembum told him to look under the M. Tree and when all is lost open the vault to souls. I think they would put the sword there.
I think that Eragon's next sword will be the first Eragon's sword(the first rider). I don't know if this is true it's just a hunch. I also think Saphira knows where the sword is because in Eldest it said "she cocked her head toward the tree,as if listening". Maybe Saphira didn't tell Eragon because she simple didn't need to like she held Brom's word before he died. And I think the sword is phsically under the tree.-damighty
This is a really wild theory, but what if the sword is in the Vault of Souls, and the Rock of Kuthian which opens the Vault of Souls is under the Menoa Tree. If Eragon needed a weapon, he could look under the Menoa tree and find the Vault of Souls. Then the sword would be in the Vault. As for the sword, I think it is neither Brom's nor the first Eragon's sword. I think Rhunon either makes a new sword for Eragon, or Oromis dies and puts his sword under the tree. It seems that the Rhunon theory is more likely to happen - privsy
of coarse the sword is physically under the tree, you cannot look under ones past, and the other swords that the elf families own are from the forsworn, not anyone even on the Vardens side of the war-Leon
It won't be the first Eragon's sword because, even if they made the swords for the riders then, his dragon was white. I'd bet on Brom's sword, but I can see him having a normal weapon until he gets Zarroc back. Very unlikely on that though.
he will look and find nothing! ALL HOPE IS LOST .Get nit then he will go to the vault of souls and aqire the weapon, the souls.-me22 who said the weapon under the tree had to be a sword? it could just be an item of great magical power.- jeff ree
solumbum would not separate the two prophisies if they were in the same place-Leon
has any of you considered that eragons next sword may not even have anything to do with solembums advice. Elf Prince Mathir
I would say that that is possible but unlikely. It's way to big a question to have no foreshadowing whatsoever in the book. I still bet on Brom's sword. As to saying "under" the Menoa tree, it's too obvious to say something like "look to the roots of the Menoa tree." It's just a simple word choice. -americanfightingman
I was thinking that maybe brom hid his sword under the menoa tree, and the seven words he told eragon while he was dieing could be said to unlock the spell holding his sword under the tree!? ~~eragon1301~~
if that were the case, Eragon would have taken it before he left Elesmera.americanfightingman, simple word choice would still have to be a synonym. "under" ,and "to" or "into are two completly different things.-Leon
There is no guarantee that Eragon would have used the spell to get the sword from under the tree Leon, because when Eragon was in Ellesmera, he didn't need it because he still had Zar'roc.-Axle Grease 18:34, 29 March 2007 (EST) Bold text
Brom begged Rhunon to make him another sword after he lost his during the Fall, but she refuses, so why would Brom ask for another one if he purposely hid it under the Menoa tree? Answer: he didn't
that is why i said that after he lost his Saphira and went mad, he left it under the menoa tree, then realising he didnt have it went to ask Rhunon for another. he forgot where it was because he was mad, and no one else knew where it was that he lost it so they assumed that he lost it in the battle.-Leon
I don't think it means THAT mad. I think it means he was extremely driven to kill Morzan, and a person crazy in that sense can still think clearly enough to know that he needs a sword to kill Morzan. americanfightingman
he also could have put the sword under the tree because it was reminding him of his dragon saphira. not wanting to remember or for other personal reasons he sealed it, then asked for a new sword so he could forget the painfull memories of loseing his dragon. ~~eragon1301
I agree with eragon1301 that Brom could have hidden the sword because of his sadness but why do you assume it was BEFORE killing Morzan, it might have been AFTER killing Morzan and then it would make more sense because if he hid his sword he would be hiding the last memory of Saphira.Are you sure that the elves where sure that the swords where from the Forsworn? They could be wrong, though that would be very strange for an elf.--Mel
i dought it had anything to do with painful memories. he was carring around the sword that Killed Saphira for almost one hundred years. the elves know who's swords they were seeing as they made them.amricanfightingman,surviving somthing that normally kills is devaststing to a person, along with losing the closest friend you can have, yes he was that crazy.-Leon
rhunon said something about i swore never to make INSTRUMENTS OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. she could make a sword to, say, pick minutely small items out of hard to reach corners.or to remind her of the riders swords. she could just decide to make it with all the characteristics of the riders swords. cp mentioned that the elves had a knack for using only half the truth to lie. and oromis said that you can"change the anchient language. guide it, yes. twist it, yes. but not so that it means the very opposite." that could anull the oath. she could make it, and "acccidentally" have it sent to eragon. or invite him over and make GESTURES that he could take it. the last part is kinda dumb, but relavent.-matt aka me
no, it doesn't matter what she uses it for, if she knows that it will ever be used as a weapon, she can't make it-Leon
I agree with Leon, when an elf makes an oath of that magnitude there probly not playing around. they may only say half the truth but what rhunon did was personal, and if she wouldn't break it during the fall then she probly wont break it now. ~~eragon1301
By THAT crazy, I didn't mean that as in the extent. I mean that type of craziness. He wanted to kill Morzan right? Even a mad raving lunatic would know that he needed a weapon to do that. AFM
i thouhgt that broms' sword was "lost" when saphira was killed, but he could easily have gotten another sword from any elf, they would have had loads of them since this was during the fall, and they were still openly fighting gabby. --17:37, 10 April 2007 (PDT)eragon1301
here's what I think happened. Brom's sword was lost at the rider place (i forgot the name, plz bear with me) and he fled the battle. We know he went and begged Runon to make him a RIDER's sword, one with enhanced abilities, but she wouldn't make one due to an oath she had recently taken. Eventually, an elven family was rummaging through the wreckage of the rider place (Duru'abean or something like that maybe???) and found Brom's sword, and are keeping it as decoration or as a token of better times, but will gladly give it to Eragon. AFM
ahh, now i know what you meen AFM. still, he killed morzan in the same battle that Saphira was killed. he would have no need to kill him anymore. also, i think that of any group of living beings, the elves would know whether or not it was a FORSWORN blade or no, because RHUNON stated that those were the forsworn's blades that those elf families had, and rhunon was the one who made them, so i dought that she would mistake brom's sword for a forsworn's-Leon
Brom didn't kill morzan when Saphira was killed, saphira was killed at the fighting at dura-arabean? after that oromis took him to the elves, when BRom and and Joed went to steal the dragon eggs is when he killed morzan.--ty 15:25, 12 April 2007 (PDT)eragon1301
o, opps, its been awhile since i read tye book that last time.-Leon
I think that Rhunon forged 3 swords when she heard of the 3 dragon eggs possibly being stolen and buried them under the Menoa tree. It's highly unlikely, but posible. --Lord Eragooon
she had taken her oath by then--eragon1301
maybe maybe not. Hey leon, can u please quote for me where it says they're forsworn blades? Okay, never mind, I found it. It says "So far as I knew, only four examples of my art still existed. His sword (Galbatorix), Oromis's, and the others guarded by families who managed to rescue them from the Wyrdfell.
Wyrdfell? Eragon dared ask Arya with his mind. Another name for the Forsworn" (Eldest, pg 302)
It says that the swords were rescued from the Forsworn. My guess is the forsworn didn't want any swords that couldn't be damaged on the opposing team, so kept them all under their possession and magically destryoed them. However, these 2 were rescued from this fate. It never says that they were Forsworn swords. AFM
ok correct me if i'm wrong, but the Riders got their swords in a type of graduation ceremony. i thought Brom hadn't gotten his RIDER sword, so how can there be BROMS indistructable sword under the menoa tree? also, the first eragon wouldn't have had a rider sword, as the maker of these swords probably wasn't around yet. so this leaves (in my mind) one possibility for a sword (assuming thats whats under the M. tree) - Vraels sword. as unlikly as it is that galby left it there, it seems to be the most likly rider sword available. I highly doubt that oromis would give his sword up while he's alive, so unless eragon is given it after oromis's death, vraels is the only logical sword. of course all this is assuming he GETS a rider's sword...... -thorne
Oh yeah i forgot he begged for another one sorry:p either way, nobody has even CONSIDERED something like Vraels sword....-thorne
Galbatorix himself would have taken it when he killed Vrael. There would be know way that it would be rescued.
What colour was Vrael's dragon?Depends on that.--Svits 18:29, 21 April 2007 (PDT)Svits
it was never said. but wh would that matter?--eragon1301
It would matter because Rider's swords are generally made according to the color of their dragons. I'm gonna vote Brom's or Vrael's sword(s). Interesting theory, by the way, whoever came up with the Vrael idea. Samuss
Thanks for answering that and it would matter a lot eragon1301. Did you even read the carefully?
Why does the color of the sword matter? For all of Eragon and right up till the end of Eldest where Murtagh takes Zar'roc away, Eragon went around with a RED sword while Saphira is BLUE. If anything, his next sword end up being black, yellow, white...WHATEVER. The point is, from where will he get his sword. I think he'll get it from the rock Kuthian. Remember Solembum's...prophecy?...fortelling?...? He'll probably get his new sword...or weapon actually as Solembum was really specific...from there.-Em.J.
Weapon under roots (origins aka two elven families, each with a rider sword) of the Menoa tree. Actually, Arya/greeny's rider for u sceptics may get Vrael's sword ..... I personally think all the colors are going to end up matching, so maybe Vrael had a green dragon/sword. AFM
Perhaps one of the elves who has a Rider's sword will use magic to transport it to Eragon.--Axle Grease 14:01, 1 May 2007 (Eastern Australian Time)
But Before Ahjihad died he said that teleportation magic was a very inprecise magic and that it would be very dangerous to try and teleport something (where you dont even know where it is) and then try to teleport it to Eragon. I think the elves are to cautious for that because it would possibly kill them if it was to far away.- the very very wise
how can there be the possibility that the elf families are conected to the Menoa tre( this is for those of you that think Eragon is getting his next weapon from them). Linnea never had children and the only relationship she was ever in ended in her killing her lover.-Leon
Because their is more than one person with the same last name in the world. Im sure most have heard or seen someone with the same last name. Oromis said the an elf family named Menoa had possesion of one of the last swords of the riders- the very very wise
I don't remember that, could you please tell me what page oromis says "that an elf family named menoa had possesion of the last swords of the riders" --eragon1301
Now, we mean Linnea's family. Roots of the Menoa tree means origins of Linnea, not her posterity (other word for descendents). The two families would probably be her pappy and her mommy, or her parents hold it and the young elf who was murdered's family has the other. AFM
its a possibilty that the elf who died by Linnea was in the family that would hold a sword eventually, though this is unlikly because we havent even learned his name. as for Linnea's parents holding it, that is almost impossible. the story of Linnea took place before the war with the dragons, so assuming her parents mated at a very young age, they would have still had to live through the war between the dragons and the elves, thousands of years, and Galbatorix. it is also unlikely that her parents mated again because of two things, the seriosness of mating to the elves, and the unpredictability of the relationships between elves-Leon
But, since elves are immortal, the two families would likely still be around and could have salvaged the swords of the former kingdom as mementos, and will glaly give them up for the betterment of their race (aka, Eragon needs a sword to kill Galby with) AFM
possible, but as i said, doughtful. Rhunon was one of the oldest elves alive, and she wasnt near as old as the war, and i have already explained why it is ulikly for thier parents to mate again, the two reasons i gave apply to both of them-Leon
And I'm saying her parents have one sword, and the murdered elf's family has the other, or Linnea's mom's family has one sword, and her dad's family has the other. It's the generatrions BEFORE Linnea that matter, not after. AFM b/c of roots (after name added, made clearer) AFM
ok, but what im sayin is that it is not like an elf to have more than one child, and it is also unlikly that thier parents lived that long.-Leon
My theory is that everyone says that Brom lost his sword, right? But my theory is that Brom was so upset over the death of his dragon that he sung it into the Menoa tree. Having lived with the elves, it's not too odd to believe that he could have learned how to sing to trees. Later, he realized the folly of this decision and wanted to get the sword back, but couldn't sing it back out, which explains why he went slightly crazy for a while. Eragon learns from Oromis how to sing to trees, let's say, in Book Three and somehow finds out about the sword being in the tree. Oromis might even tell him, because Oromis would probably know about it. Then Eragon simply goes to the tree and sings out the sword. Presto- instant Galby-killing sword.
Never thought of that, it might just work.--Axle Grease 11:33, 9 May 2007 (Eastern Australian Time)
Uh there are supports and discredits to this theory. Discredits 1. The book said he lost it in the war. 2. why would he sing it into the tree? If I was him I wouldnt think of singing my Sword into a tree. That wouldnt help anything. 3. It is very likely that an elf could easily sing it out of the tree, it would just have to take the same amount of energy as by hand. 4. If number 3 is true then Brom would have just sung it back out. 5. The sword would have represented as a reminder of the bond he and Saphira had Supports 1. Brom could have lied to everyone about losing his sword. 2. The sword could have been a reminder of the bond he and Saphira had, as to block himself from the pain of this loss, he could have sung the sword into the tree where someone would find it long after he was dead. I chose to think that this theory is wrong but anything is possible- the very very wise
Yeah, but we have to go off of what CP has written, not what could happen in a parallel universe..... Brom seems to be the logical type.... (in other words, I think it lost in fighting)AFM
That theory is flawed in several areas. The first, and fundamentally the most important flaw, is that Eragon learned how to sing to trees in book two by Oromis near the end of his training. The second is that as "the very very wise" said Brom,or any other elf, could have sung the sword back out just as easily as brom sung it in, not to mention the fact that if Oromis knew how to sing the sword out of the tree(which this theory states he tought eragon how to do) he could have easily shown Brom and spared him alot of effort and pain. I belive that Eragon will get this prophesised WEAPON( does not specifically say sword) from under the roots of the menoa tree. By this i mean that perhaps there is some sort of hidden cache, in which he gains this weapon. As to the weapon itself, i belive it is most likely a sword, but could easily be scrolls containing secrets of the riders(spells, teachings, etc.) In the event it is a sword, i would be willing to wager that it is one of three possibilities. 1-Broms: this is likely as we are assuming he is eragons father(based on other theories, and on the progression throughout the books) it would also be fiting because his dragon was named saphira and he "lost" it. 2-One of the 2 swords Rhunon made reference to, this is unlikely because it says they were forsworn swords and Eragon would be too busy with the war to go in search of them 3-the first eragons: unlikely, but it would be fitting. it is possible that Linnea(menoa tree) was a descendant of eragon, or in her long lonely life came across his blade and took it with her into the tree..... In any case if there is a cache under the tree then it is possible Broms words could be tied to it, though this is doubtful as Brom could have just gotten it for himself if that were the case. but it could be that he only learnt these words after he left Elesmera and didn't get around to going to the tree and using the words.--Silent Prophet
i agreenthat it doesnt say "sword", but the only other weapon Eragon can use is a bow, and he already has on of them. it is a possibility that it is knowledge, and i cant think of anything off the top of my head to disprove it except that Eragon needs a new sword. also, Linnea came BEFORE Eragon #1, it says in Arya's story that Linnea was before the war between dragons and elfs, and Eragon #1 was the elf who ended the war by becoming the first rider-Leon
Ah, yes i forgot that little fact. still, it could be that eragon himself made the cache..... it would make sense, he couldn't really give his sword away because before Rhunon made the swords, we could assume that another did it, because the sword is a graduation present and when the riders were formed( around the time of eragon#1) Rhunon wasn't alive yet. and if another rider didn't need the sword it had to go somewhere....why not in a place of great power and history, for something of great history.--Silent Prophet
Dang it. It doesn't say the 2 swords were the Forsworns'. It just says they were rescued from the Forsworn. And if Galby wanted to rebuild the riders, he probably woulda kept the unbreakable swords to give to his riders. AFM
You all do know that soulembaum doesnt accually say theres even a weapon under the tree.... it could be the women in the tree tellin Eragon somthing. -the so very much wiser
This is true.... it could be as "the so very much wiser" stated, there could be some sign, or guide to where he may attain the weapon, i assume this based on the wording of solumbums prophesy that, loosely quoted as i cannot find the page, " when you need a weapon, look under the roots of the menoa tree". He deliberately avoids saying that the weapon is under the tree, merely that when he needs one to "look under the roots...." this is the logic behind my deduction and analysis of solembums words. but alas we digress from the topic of this forum which is eragons next sword, so back to the main topic people. --Silent Prophet 05:38, 29 May 2007 (PDT)
well in any case we have to take into acount that in chapter 3 Eragon fights the Ra'zac, and i dont think that he would go into battle without a suitible weapon-Leon
his clan may have a reasonably durable weapon with them. Besides, he doesn't HAVE to have a rider's sword (just then) AFM
hey sorry for the double post............ If Eragon could neutralize the blessing on Elva, couldn't Rhunon neutralize the oath she took? Her resolve may waiver somehow...... Or she may be forced to..... Just a thought, I'm not counting on it. (Even more bizarre, totally don't believe it, but it is POSSIBLE) Eragon discovers Rhunon's true name and forces her to make him a new one (Last part not going to happen..... but throwing it out anyway) AFM
How do you know what will happen in chapter 3? --Silent Prophet
Well "AFM" Rhunon took an oath in the ancient language,and based on the fact that people sworn to oaths in the ancient language cannot break free(ie: Murtagh oath of fealty to galby). If somebody to break an oath in the ancient language then it would make those oaths pointless. --Silent Prophet
thats why he brought up the Elva situation. taking back a blessing in the ancient language might be similare to taking back an oath. and to the namless person asking about chapter 3, chapter 3 is the chapter (or part of a chapter) that was released as an excerpt in the Eldest LE.-Leon
Hey leon is there any way you can send me that exerpt? i havn't been able to get my hands on the LE Eldest.If so contact me my details are on my screen name i think , just follow the hyperlink. and also Elva was a blessing, whereas the oaths are more like those which galbatorix uses to bind his riders. and if a person could break the oath then it would make the oath a total waste of time. This is why i beleive that this oath is slightly more permanant than you are hoping for. But then again it was an oath to herself, so there could be a way where she releases herself from the oath, as only galbatorix can release his riders.--Silent Prophet
well i dont have the excerpt but you can go to alagaesia.com and sign up for the fricya network. its free and i havent goten any junkmail yet. they have the excerpt for you to read once you sign in, its on the bottom left, you cant miss it. back to the oath, i dont think she will break her oath, but instead find a way around it. for instance, im sure people can use thier shield in a battle to kill someone, but Rhunon can still make shields, and why is that. because she doesnt think of it as a tool for killing, but instead protecting. if she thought that Eragon's sword was going to protect Alagaesia, instead of kill galbatorix(which is the same thing, but from different viewpoints) she may be able to make his sword without breaking the oath-Leon
No i doubt she could delude herself enough to believe that a sword is not going to be used as a weapon, and also a shield's primary function is to protect, wheras a swords is to maim and kill. I am partial to the orik making the sword theory. it assumes that when Rhunon showed orik her blacksmith area she taught him. i vaguely recall him saying something along the lines of "...She took me to her smith and showed me her skill..." and also he seems to be really impressed with her having known a great dwarven smith. i doubt CP would expend energy and ink like that if it wasn't building up to something, but hey! it has been a few months since i read the books so correct me if i am wrong. And thanks again Leon i got that exerpt, made me want to read the book even more! --Silent Prophet
I wonder if he'll get a purple or pink sword.-Axle Grease 13:08, 5 June 2007 (EAT)
Well Exluding the obscenity of such a statement, there is little or no chance of such colours being used as eragons new sword, also assuming he gets a new sword. Based on the previous dragon riders carrying swords synonymous to the colour of their dragon, with a few exceptions of course, it is a safe guess to assume that the sword will be blue or will be just a regular sword, perhaps of elven make. --Silent Prophet
Yes, that was a stupid statement and I know he will probably get a blue sword.--Axle Grease 11:27, 6 June 2007 (Eastern Australian Time)
well it isnt so much a delusion as a way of thinking, seeing as he would be saving a countless number of lives killing galbatorix with it. and my point with the shield is that even though it has a primary function to protect, they can still kill people, yet Rhunon makes them. also when orik said that she would show orik some of her skills, she said it in a future tense, and also, the first time Rhunon is seen, she was working on the chainlink. it said that how she was making it could have only been done by an elf, because of the required speed, precision, and skill-Leon
As i said leon, i havn't read the books for a few months, but just because only an elf could make chainmail in that way, doesn't mean that the swords couldn't be made by a dwarf. The riders swords were just metal folded over and over and over again until they were so intricate that by using them you actually sharpen them. This is obviously a complicated process, but the dwarves are exceptional smiths, it isn't so farfetched to believe orik is capible of doing it under rhunon watch. She said she couldn't make swords anymore, or rather wouldn't, but she did NOT say that she wouldn't help another make one. And also i do not belive she could twist the idea of a swords purpose so far as to contradict it's main design, which is to stab and cut, regardless of the elven skill for twisting facts and telling half truths. As Oromis said in his philisophical debate with Eragon, the vardens march and eragons involvement will cause the death of countless soldiors and conscripted peasants. Rhunon would know this. --Silent Prophet
Ah.......... but the countless it would save. And CP telling us that is probably foreshadowing of some such event. I think you can fool lie detector machines in similiar ways. AFM
that wouldnt be the way to fool a lie machine, but i get your point. where did you hear that was the way to make a riders sword, silent prophet?-Leon
It never says anything like that in the books. I remember most details... and that's one I wouldn't have missed. AFM
It is in one of the books in one of the dwarven scenes, although i must admit i may have my stories crossed, i have read almost 38 books recently, all within the genre and most follow similar themes. But i am sure it is in the Inheritance books. AFM, if you are so sage wise in the ways of this trilogy, please look for this quote. If you don't find it i will make a public apology, if you do, please quote. --Silent Prophet
I know I sometimes act like I think it.... but I don't know everything. I coulda missed it. Could you specify more??? At least what else was going on????? Please. AFM
I wish i could, but like i said i have been swimming in books, and while i do recal alot of things, they tend to meld sometimes. But i am certain it was in inheritance. If i were to hazard a guess i would say it may have been the brom bit, where he gives eragon the sword, or when the dwarves first encounter it. And i am truely sorry to be vague. I am going to read them again once i am finished with the 6 book series i am on currently. so it should be a couple of weeks maybe, but please look into Eragon i am confident it is in one of the sections i have outlined, if not i probably have my stories muddled. --Silent Prophet
yeah, you do have your stories confused, ive read Eragon and Eldest way to many times to miss something like that. qouted from the book it says: "This was once a rider's blade," said Brom gravely. "When a rider finished his training, the elves would present him with a sword. Thier methods of forging have always remained secret. However, thier swords are eternally sharp and will never stain -Leon
Thank you Leon, and yes I checked it myself, you are correct. I would like to formally acknowledge that I have made an error in my claims, and would also like to apologise for the inconvenience, and also for sullying the good name of this forum; and in future dissertations I will endeavour to provide quotes to validate my theories. --Silent Prophet
Has anyone ever considered that the first eragon may have been the man who loved the lady who is now the menoa tree and so in repentence he placed his sword there --
Yes that is a theory that was brought up by myself to a certain extent, further up the page. And as leon said 'it says in Arya's story that Linnea was before the war between dragons and elfs, and Eragon #1 was the elf who ended the war by becoming the first rider'. Therefore Linnea couldn't have been involved with Eragon, as this was before the Elves had their extremely long lives, and by Eragon #1's time, she was already in the tree. --Silent Prophet
Just wanna start a discussion! The book said dat the rider's swords r indestructable, so how come only a handful of them is left?There's plenty of riders.The maybe thousand, there could be a possibility dat the once a rider's dead, their swords usually gets placed into the menoa tree and also, eragon's new weapon might be created by a new smith.not only rhunon is really talented.She might teach someone how to make an indestructable sword and let them make them.She said that she won't create INSTRUCMENTS OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION, but she didn't say not to teach them to another person!-Eragon ShadeHunter.
The books doesn't say they can't be destroyed it says: "When a rider finished his training, the elves would present him with a sword. Thier methods of forging have always remained secret. However, thier swords are eternally sharp and will never stain", the swords could be destroyed by magic and even if they were not destroyed, Galbatorix would have scooped them up and stored them somewhere safe. He and the foresworn killed the other riders, i doubt they would leave such valuable weapons for their enemies to find. And as for the second part of your theory, if the elves knew of this " sword into the tree" business they would have told eragon about it, or atleast Oromis would have. Although i do agree with the last part, another smith could indeed make the sword, although i still believe Rhunon will do it somehow, Christopher Paulini spent several pages describing her as this great smith, and saying things along the lines of " she is the finest in her craft", or something to that effect. If another smith was going to make it, it would be a character already incorporated into the story, ie: Orik. --Silent Prophet
Eragon first couldn't have been the man who loved then betrayed Linnea.... she killed that man.... well, I guess he could have, but he couldn't have put his sword their afterward. AFM
in eldest it says that galby came and destroyed the swords i can find a qoute if u really want, and good point AFM. -Patteh
no, it definatly could not be Eragon #1, he was way after Linnea put herself into the tree, as silent prophet said just now, and said by me a long time ago(i forgot when but this is the second time this has been discused)-Leon
with the bit about swords alwasy staying sharp and their forging a secrect.... well brom tells eragon that while eragon knows nothing about magic, i think that their regular impressive swords just charmed to be indestructable and stain proof. so that means that anyone could make them not just rhunon -Patteh
In the book i dont have the page number it said something about 2 elven families with the swords of dragon riders. I am not sure if it said it outright but I agree with the theory that it did not mean the physical roots of the Menoa tree but the metaphorical roots. AKA Eragon finds one of the elven families and gets his sword from them. This is also how the rider of the green dragon would get a weapon. Sorry I dont have any page numbers. -Darksmithy
I have just thought up a really boguys sounding theory but it might be possible. Does anyone remember when Oromis and Eragon were talking about forseeing the future through scrying? Oromis said that they saw a faint image before the spellcasters died. What if an elve not partaking in the spell saw what was there. What if they saw the future of dragon riders (Eragon to be specific). In order to aid Eragon the evles gave a message to Solombum to give to Eragon. They then put a sword of a dead rider into the Meona tree.-- the very very wise
That is so crazy...... I bet it will never happens..... Nothing contradicts it though (although nothing supports it) AFM
By de way, solembum didn't say ROOTS OF THE MENOA TREE, he said UNDER THE MENOA TREE! by de way,very very wise, it was arya who talked about scrying de future with eragon.She said de spellcasters died immediately after seeing the image.so,they couldn't send a message to solombum or put a sword into de menoa tree in time!They're already dead!-Eragon ShadeHunter
he means the people that watched the spell casters, and it says LOOK UNER THE ROOTS OF THE MENOA TREE pg 206 lol get ur facts straight and the very very wise i like that idea, no matter how farfetched it sounds. -Patteh
Like I said.... nothing I can find disproves it....... But I can't find anything that would support it except for the fact that CP told us the elves had scryed......... AFM
they were talking about scrying the past, the comment directed at scrying the future was "to do so, you would need to know what happened ,where it happened, and when it happened, and that would defeat the purpose"(or something like that)-Leon
Hey people, I found prove dat the riders' swords are unbreakable,or should i say indestructable!"This is how Rhunon charmed the Riders' swords so they never break or dull;"Oromis page 587 Eldest
Break and destroyed are too different things. The riders swords would never snap in half in combat. However, they could probably still be melted down or destroyed with magic. Sorry for any typos b/c I have to keep some drops in my ear while I'm typing this. AFM
ok about the menoa tree i read that before the elves and dragons bonded that the elves were just like humans but ppl r saying that the menoa tree or linnea was alive b4 the eragon well thats wrong she very well could have been alive because if she is old as u say she would have died of old age also wat if they did love each other the elf smith would not have been this old and so the making of the rider blades might not have exsisted so eragon no. 1
elves lived as long as humans, but they had the same magical abilities, and she has lived for so long because she is part of the tree, and there is no way the elves would let a tree die-leon
They lived longer. -Axle Grease 12:57, 6 September 2007 (EST)
Ok it said that Linnea was a long time before the dragon riders. It said she was an old maid. YEt it said she was having an affair with a younger elf so she couldnt be THAT old. Trees can live for a hundred years without hindrence. Linnea melding herself with the tree made herself and the tree live hundreds of thousands of years. There is no way that the smith could live that long because it was before the time of riders... the elves had the same death rate as humans so he woulve died unless he melded himself into a tree and came back out or something of the sort.--the very very wise
what are you talking about?, first off, you do know that linnea was a woman right? and also, she wasnt a maid, and it takes more than one guy and girl to have an affair, and the young elf was going to her, so it isnt like she looked bad, in fact it never said she was old in the first place, just older than the elf guy-Leon
Leon check your facts it DOES say she was older. She would have had to be like 40 years old- the very very wise
read closer next time, just like in my last post it says shes OLDER, not OLD-Leon
Hey, I'm new to this thread, but I enjoyed the posts so far and thought that I would a couple thoughts that I had concerning this. Now, while it never comes right out and says this, we know that Linnea was so distraught that she ran away and sang herself into the tree after killing her lover. I had always imagined this as an immediate reaction to killing her lover. For example, she kills him and the realizes what she has done and takes off. Correct me if I am wrong, but she stabbed her lover to death right? So, I always imagined her running away "knife" in hand (or whatever weapon she used to kill him). It is possible that Eragon could find this weapon under the tree. He could then take this weapon to Rhunon. I'm not sure if she would consider changing this weapon in the same light as "making" a new sword, but its just a thought. The impression I got was that the story of Linnea was old even to the elves, which is why they may never have looked under the tree for a weapon. Sorry the post is so long, but I couldn't figure out how else to say it. --67.42.16.144 15:30, 16 November 2007 (PST)jac
well, that is definatly something i havent thought of, i guess it is possible. just so you know though, Linnea was alive before elves lived forever so she was aging like a human would. also, that really isnt that long of a post.-Leon
This may be a crazy theory as well, but I recall reading something about there being an elf/human relationship before. I believe it was Araya that said this. Any-who, what if the first Eragon was really the Eragon that we knows' father. Crazy, as it sounds its a possibility. Secondly, as far as the swords are concerned, it is fair to say that it could be one of two swords under the monoa tree, (given that it is a sword)either the first Eragon's or Brom's, although it being Brom's sword is unlikely. I think that either way, the first Eragon's sword would have some sort of power to it, regardless of who constructed it, the elf-women smith, or not. Obviously, the first Eragon had enormous power considering, he was the first rider. I think a lot of people know Eragon's true story better than he knows himself. So, to summarize, i think it could be Brom's or The first Eragon's sword that will be his next sword, and he will find it under the monoa tree. Either way, we are probably going to have to wait until (the fourth(for sure)) book comes out to find out. -- jon.clive -- 03.09.2008 - 23:53 EST
so you think Eragon wont have a sword, or at least one of any importance, until the forth book? anyway, i think its Brom's sword. My theory for this is that he lost his sword after the battle that killed Saphira, not during it like the book says. The book does say that Brom went mad with grief and pain when Saphira, and i think he went back to Elesmera with his sword. He then proceeded to lose it under the Menoa tree, and being mad,even forgot when he lost it.-Leon
we know brom isnt his dad cuz murtagh said in the ancient languagemorzan was there dad.-obvious answer
we've already been over this, you can say anything in the ancient language as long as you BELIEVE it is true. it doesn't actully have to be true.-Leon
i cant beleive none of you seem to have realised that the weapon from under the menoa tree was eragon becoming like an elf and having his scar fixed and stuff, it made him whole again, its soooooo obvious, its not a literal weapon but its makes him stronger and faster etc... mrg611 p.s. sry if anyone already pointed that out i hadnt read the whole thing before i posted.
I think that his next sword will be the weapon he finds in the roots of the Menoa tree, that it will be blue and Brom's old sword.-Halfelven
Was Brom's dragon even blue? I don't think so... and that would make the sword a different color. I don't think Eragon will find Brom's sword anyways.. who even came up with that?( I do believe he will find the new sword under the Menoa tree I mean seriously, what other weapon could be at its roots?) - Editor
Yes, Brom's dragon was the first Saphira and therefore blue. So his sword was blue. So if Eragon found his sword then it would be perfect cause of Saphira. It would match. Makes sense to me.-Halfelven
