Saphira's Mate (Theories)
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Saphira's Mate
This is a heated discussions between all the fans of the Inheritance trilogy. I shall first go through the unlikely dragons. Shruikan is a an unlikly choice because Galbatorix would probably want a younger choice for the mate, not twisted by the magic that controls Shruikan. Glaedr is the second most unlikely dragon. He rejected her and he would not want such a bond with a student of his, especialy one with much better canidants. The green dragon is the next most likely dragon. He is very unlikely to be captured by the Varden. And even if he is, I doubt he would be mature enough to mate with Saphira. This brings me to the most likely person to be the father of Saphira's egg. Thorn is probably the one saphira will mate with. Eragon promised Roran to save Katrina. Roran, blinded by love, unaware of the danger of the raz'ac and the lethrbalka, would stumble on blindly, dragging Eragon with him. Murtagh would probably be waiting for them and they would capture Eragon and Saphira. Thorn would then mate with Saphira. He would be mature enough to mate with Saphira, unlike the green dragon. This is the only reason the green dragon would be less likely to mate with Saphira. I hope this settles some of the arguements of the dragon Saphira will mate with. --Kystra 12:33, 3 August 2007 (PDT)
Saphira's Mate II
Yes, this really IS a heated discussion! However, Krysta, you fail to acknowledge that Galbatorix might indeed want Saphira and Shruikan to mate as Saphira IS the last female and as Shruikan is Galbatorix's dragon (albeit he was bound to Galbatorix by dark magics). This would certainly bind Saphira to her mate and Galbatorix if she was to clutch. The emotional bond between her and Shruikan would prevent Saphira from doing certain things against Galbatorix. The canadites for the new egg are uncertain although may I point out in capitals....
-> WHO SAID THE NEW DRAGON IS TO BE GREEN? DOES ANYONE HAVE A REFERENCE? Anyways, there ARE other possible egg colors(PURPLE, orange, silver, brown, WHITE, or other multiples of blue, red, and yellow) although green is the most probable.
I think that Saphira and Thorn will mate and their baby will mate the green dragon.
THE AUTHER SAID SO in an interveiw he confirmed the Dragon would be green sorry no link. Think i found it on wikipedia.
I do agree that the new dragon will be too immature to mate with Saphira right off... THAT doesn't mean he won't BECOME mature, that is unavoidable... however the likelyhood of him and Saphira clutching right off is unprobable. Glaedr is out of the running as he has already TOLD Saphira he is not her mate(He told her that one of the other dragons is), he doesn't want that kind of bond with his student. Thorn is also a canadite as Saphira seems to have rejected him but we aren't given a definate. I like your theory ***Kystra*** that Murtagh and Thorn could capture her but it is unlikely that a) she will clutch and b) that she should be captured in the first place. --Editor
P.S: Another unlikely suggestion.... what about a wild dragon hmmm? It is said Eragon WILL leave Algaesia.. could another dragon be waiting?
Or perhaps Saphira will change loyalties and serve to Galby. (I know Saphira never benefited from Eragon) and mate either Shruikan or Thorn.
i agree with krysta but i still have hope for murtagh and thorn and think eragon will kill galby and then saphira will mate with thorn.
The only other possible Saphira relationship is with the green dragon (seeing as how Saphira/Thorn is already a listed category). Christopher Paolini is most likey not going to introduce a new dragon to be Saphira's mate, and Glaedr is definately not going to be her mate. And then Shruikan, well, he is already a little messed up in the head, and Saphira will never take him. With everything else ruled out, the only possible Saphira/Other relationship is a Saphira/Greeny relationship. --Enmire 23:28, 22 November 2006 (EST)
Some people are saying that there are 4 candidates. To me there are only 2. The four main candidates are: Shruikan-least likely along with thorn. Saphira has said that she will not mate with an evil dragon, like Thorn or Shruikan so that takes Shruikan right out of the race. I mean he's old, and even if he does turn good I doubt Saphira will mate with him because she has so many other choices. So I find him highly unlikely. Thorn-the same reason that i find Shruikan unlikely is that Thorn is evil. So i don't think Eragon would like Saphira to mate with Thorn. So it is unlikely. Emerald?-this is the most likely dragon that Saphira will mate with. The green dragon(emerald?) is likely to have his egg stolen by the Varden. He will then hatch for Arya(hopefully)and then Arya will get trained by Oromis and Emerald will get trained by Glaedr and then Eragon and Saphira and Arya and Emerald will kill Galby and Murtagh then leave Alagaesia forever. Glaedr-unlikely because he has already rejected Saphira once and she is probably not likely to ask him to mate with her again. It is also possible that Saphira will mate with a wild dragon but not likely.
I think it will either be Thorn or a wild dragon. Other people have already eliminated Shruikan and Glaedr, and I agree that Greeny will not be mature. Remember that Murtagh spared Eragon at the end of the battle. I still have hope for him and Thorn. Also, Paolini has hinted VERY heavily that there are still wild dragons just waiting to be discovered. Saphira's mother was wild, so this would be a perfect match for her. -- Andromeda
I find it unlikely that Saphira would allow herself to be forced into mating as is implied above when it says that Eragon and Saphira will be captured by Murtagh. - Matthew
I think that Saphira will mate with the green dragon (Eragons visons havent been wrong yet) and it will be ridden by a girl who i think will NOT be Arya.... but be possibaly be the daughter of Galibortix or another of the traitors. ~~PB4l~~
Does Galby have a daughter? And who do you mean by traitors? Forsworn are dead and if you think Murtagh has a daughter you must be crazy.Sorry.It would be cool anyway.--Svits 18:10, 15 April 2007 (PDT)Svits
Oooo! New theory! You see, Shruikan has never met Saphira. They meet somehow and fall in love. He is her mate. With both Shruikan and Saphira against Galbatorix, Thorn, and Greeni (who I'm guessing will be evil as well), the Varden and elves could win easily. -Alyn-
Okay, Shruiken is severly twisted my dark magic, he and Galbatorix are mentaly connected, and most likely Shruiken is loyal to galbatorix. Even if he was against Galbatorix, he is like 150 years old, and most liely poorly trained and out of shape. He wouldn't be much aid, unless he sat on people.--Kystra 17:33, 8 May 2007 (PDT)
yeah, and after 150 years I don't rellay think he'd start fighting agaisnt Galby.--Svits 10:12, 3 June 2007 (PDT)Svits
Out of shape... I doubt it.... It's against their genes. And he's probably as big as a large hill by now. Probably very cocky in his own abilities.... that will be his downfall. AFM
Well i think dat shruikan might turn good if he's free from dark magic.Do u think u'll serve a weirdo who nearly annihilated u're race and killed u're rider,a guy/woman who is closely bonded to u?And as reference to the book it said that the bond between Shruikan and Galby is poor.Only maintained by dark magic.Meaning dat shruikan could not think for himself.Most of all shruikan is only 100/99 for he is born at the start of the fall.-Eragon ShadeHunter.
Thorn serves a man who has almost wiped out his race. And before y'all (I'm Texan) say that he is only doing it since Galby knows his true name, think about this. Galby has been with Shruikan for 100 years. There's a 99.99 percent chance that Galby knows Shruikan's name, don't u think? AFM
Oooooooooohhhhhhh CORRECTION ShadeHunter! Saying that Shruikan can't think for himself has GOT to be far from the truth! By mantaining a bond with dark magic.. nothing is suggested that the dragon can't think for himself... his actions could be his own although it DOES say his mind is twisted by dark magic.. that doesn't mean he can't think for himself.. it merely means his actions will be leaning towards the darker side of things... Editor
Hey, people, I think that the reason lots of us are saying that Saphira will mate with the green dragon is because of the fact that we are forgetting about the riders. Saphira having a bond with a dragon will cause Eragon to have feelings for the rider of that dragon. NOWHERE IN THE BOOKS DOES IT SAY THAT ERAGON IS GAY. All the riders currently alive are male, which makes it all the more likely that, not only will Saphira mate with the green dragon, but that the rider will be female. Most of us are probably hoping for the new rider to be Arya. Meggie
Where in the book does it mention ANYTHING about "Saphira having a bond with a dragon will cause Eragon to have feelings for the rider of that dragon."? - Editor
In Eldest on pages 67-68, Saphira explains to Eragon that if one of them gets attached to a person, then the other will get those feelings as well, and the bond goes both ways. IF Saphira ends up liking the green dragon, then since Eragon can't exactly "fall in love" with a dragon, he will be attracted to the one that is more like him, the Rider. Meggie
I just thought that it doesn't really add up 'cause if, IF saphira were to fall in love with thorn or shruikan then would eragon fall in love with Galbatorix or Murtagh...he's not gay is he
No, Eragon is NOT gay. IF saphira mates with a dragon with a male rider it doesnt mean he will fall in love with the guy. He may have feelings for them like saphira, though it doesnt mean he cant ignore them? he could marry an elf (undoubtedly arya, or the woman who sang 'away away you shall fly away...') and the 2 of em can live together forever. Then eragon wouldnt have as strong feelings for the other dragon rider. ~Dragonz~*~Forever~
Saphira/Thorn
Not matter how sure you think you are, denial won't give you the answer. In the end, there is a chance that Murtagh will turn to the light and join the good side. And I really do not believe that Murtagh OR Thorn is bad at all, but only forced into service. So there is a chance, however slim, that Thorn and Saphira will be mates. --Enmire 23:29, 22 November 2006 (EST)
I disagree with Saphira/Thorn... They pretty much hate one another, seeing as how they're on different sides. Chances are, that isn't going to happen. --Enmire 23:50, 25 November 2006 (EST)
i don't know if this sounds right to anyone else but i still have hope for murtagh and thorn and i think some how eragon will slay galby and relese murtagh and thorn then they will all meet agin and will be friends then saphira and thorn will mate.
I used to have this wild theory involving Thorn and Saphira seeing each other and falling in love even though they are supposed to be enemies... and then I realized that they have already seen each other and most certainly were not in love with each other. But yet Thorn and Saphira have to mate, because Greeni is simply too young, Glaedr is simply too old, and Shruikan is simply too evil. So according to logic and the characters revealed so far, Saphira has to mate with Thorn. However, I doubt they would, even if Galby tried to force them to. And I don't think he would, seeing as he wants Saphira and Greeni to mate. I think that Saphira and Eragon will find other dragons and Saphira will mate with one of them.
I think, Oromis is 1000+, shruikan is 100+ so it's impossible to them and if the green dragon is female(how can Murtagh know), Thorn is the only option left.
Okay.... I want you all to get this into your head. SAPHIRA HAS ONLY BEEN GROWING FOR ABOUT A YEAR..... ONE YEAR IS NO TIME AT ALL WHEN YOU'RE IMMORTAL.... THE DRAGONS HAVE MINDS WHEN THE EGGS ARE LAID!!!!! GREENY MAY HAVE BEEN LAID (the egg...) BEFORE SAPHIRA... BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT A 1 YEAR DIFFERENCE IN IMMORTAL ANIMALS DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL!!!!!!! AFM
I don't think this would work. I love Murtagh (he is my favorite) and Thorn just because. I think Thorn just doesn't fit well with her. Besides who wants a race of purple dragons??? [just kidding it probably doesn't work that way but still! I personally want the aguamarine or teal dragons!!!!!!] -~I~Love~Murtagh~
I think that it should be Thorn. I believe Thorn is not evil. He just hatched at the wrong place and at the wrong time. Anyway the reason why is because I thought something wonderful might happen if they do get together. The simple fact is that I think that it was basically the Vardens fault that Surda was attacked, see my point? Later on, the green dragon can mate with their daughter. By the time Eragon said to let Murtagh kill him and Thorn, that was kinda selfish because there is always another way to free someone from a spell. Though I'm not trying to criticise the story and all. I also thought that if Saphira and Thorn learn to understand one another, they would probably jump into the middle of a fight between their riders and tell them to stop because that is where the path to hatred as brought them. Then not only Eragon and Murtagh will stop fighting, but also the war will end faster. The empire will betray Galbatorix and join the Varden instead. Knowing that they are all one. Eragon and Arya will later fall in love including Murtagh and Nasuada. Then in Eragons' dream Saphira and the other dragon will leave with him and Arya. I pictured it to be Thorn because I thought Izlandi would punish Murtagh and Thorn by somehow removing the bond between them. Thorn will say goodbye to Murtagh and promises to meet him another time. That is why I believe Thorn and Saphira should get together. Well, what do you think of that theory. Do you agree or disagree?User:Thorn's Boy
Well personally I dont think Islanzadi would be cruel enough to take away the bond between Murtagh and Thorn <if thats even possible?> For both of them losing that bond would most likely be the same as having your dragon/rider die, it would be like losing part of yourself. Murtagh would never be the same again. I imagine it would be worse than if Thorn had died because Murtagh would probably be devestated at the thought of someone else taking his place <as Rider> in Thorns life. Its seems like a way too harsh punishment considering Murtagh was <according to what he told Eragon> forced to join Galbatorix. Even so it would kind of make sense if Arya was Thorns Rider because then Thorn and Saphira could be together and Eragon and Arya could too. Although doesnt the color of a Riders magic match the color of the Riders dragon? And isn't the color of Arya's magic green??? Well anyway to finish off the point of this the only way I could ever see Arya and Thorn being bonded was if Murtagh died and somehow someone managed to bond Thorn and Arya together.
Saphira/Greeny
Ugh! WHY is this topic here? Who said the new dragon is going to be green hmmmmm? It IS the most probable... but Paolini could throw a curve at us as the new dragon could be a) PURPLE b) Orange c) Silver d) Brown e) Pink (ha ha not!) or or or f) WHITE
Because, the color of the egg defines the color of the dragon. Saphira's egg was blue, so is she. There was three egg, a blue,red, adn green. saphira was the blue, thorn was the red, and so the third must be green.--Kystra
Besides how cliche would it be to have Arya hatch a dragon? I think Roran is going to be the next rider as Eragon, Murtagh, and himself are all related. Plus, Murtagh and Eragon both have a dragon already... why not complete the trio?
Editor
Yes of course they will be together!!! He has to to hatch for Arya!! It's so perfect. Two good riders (not counting Oromis, he has his injury) and two bad riders (Galby and Murtagh of course). I think it's perfectly symmetrical. -Kayla
ok, kayla i just need to say one thing. MURTAGH AND THORN ARE NOT EVIL.
This is obviously the most common theory in the entire Inheritance fanbase, bigger even than Eragon/Arya. I wish it wasn't so, but I am forced to believe that they will mate, and so bring about a new reign of Shur'tugalar.-Theo
Unfortunately, I have to agree also. This is the only possible dragon relationship, and unless Paolini decides to add a new character, this will come to pass. Christopher has made a point of using pre-introduced characters as the only important players in his story, and the chances of putting in another to be as important as Saphira's mate is very slim. --Enmire 23:29, 22 November 2006 (EST) A dragon does have to be old enough to mate. Greenie would be too young unless they mate at the very end of the book. but then Thorn probably would have come in contact with Saphira and she will probibly carrying an egg by that point. -Kystra
The time between from when Thorn hatched and Thorn and Spahira battled could have been about 7-8 months, so Thorn would have been the same age. it would probably be 3-4 months before he was sexually mature, and it would be a bit longer before Eragon and Murtagh meet in battle, and Thorn could force Saphira right there. They would both be old enough. That is my opinion.--Kystra 13:25, 18 January 2007 (EST)
Now here is my opinion. Saphira wasn't as strong as Thorn at that time after her birth. Galbatorix definitely had something to do with it. I've been on other fan sites and people have asked C.P. that same question and he said that Galbatorix could've done it. Then anyways, how do you know dragons can't mate right off the bat just like I said they had both been in their eggs long enough they might have been ready to mate even then they just had to wait for the right person to come along so they could hatch and ensure that they would touch them and become their rider. - Unknown
They don't mature or grow until they hatch. And Galbatorix could have been helping with the strength, that wouldn't be unreasonable. Athletes take steroids now, and why not dragons get strong through magic in Alagaesia? --Kystra 17:21, 18 January 2007 (EST)
People are confused about how Thorn had such a massive "growth spurt" in such a small period of time, compared to how long it took Saphira to mature. Has anyone ever thought that it could be because he was male? Maybe for dragons, males grow bigger faster than females (which could be true as the only other male dragon we could compare Thorn to in size is Glaedr, who is several hundred years older than him). So if males grow bigger faster than females, the green dragon could be a suitable mate for Saphira despite the age difference between them. -Spirit_of_the_Dragons_Lost
It's a less than two year age difference. Now, I know a lot of y'alls parents are more than 2 years apart. (don't respond to that [no one cares whether your parents are less than 2 years apart or 50 years apart]) AFM
STILL! Just because a dragon may be phisicaly mature, it does not mean it is sexually mature!!!! It happens with all animals!!!!--Kystra 20:17, 30 April 2007 (PDT)
What animals are "physically mature" before they are sexually mature. Sexually mature is part of physically mature.
But look at dogs. Lets take a lab. They are at their largest at about 12-18 months, but to be able to breed, they have to be 24-30 months old.--Kystra 08:51, 5 May 2007 (PDT)
And sexually mature is part of physically mature. Physically mature is COMPLETELY grown and developed in ALL physical aspects, not just in appearance. Also, even after Greeny woulda matured, they still woulda been less than a year (or maybe a little further) apart. AFM
Okay, Saphira was with Eragon in Du WeldenVarden, and she was about 18 months. She left after, about 4 months, so she would be 1 year and 10 months. Thorn was hatched most likely when saphira was in Du Weldenvarden, so the age difference there would be a year and 2-6 months. Then tack on how long it will take for green to get a rider, the age differrence would be about 2 years. Consider that. --Kystra 09:25, 6 May 2007 (PDT)
I have a question. What if the green dragon became Saphira's "mate" without them physically mating until the green dragon is older? As far as I know there's nothing in Eragon ao Eldest which says that they have to mate straight away. -Spirit_of_the_Dragons_Lost
A mate is a pair of animals who have actually mated. Greeny couldn't be Saphira's mate until the had intercourse, and until then, they would just be very close.--Kystra 19:05, 6 May 2007 (PDT)
Two years difference is NOTHING compared to a potentially immortal animal. That's like the difference in a day between humans. AFM
HEY HEY HEY! Take it easy you two..... Dragons mature sexually at FIVE to SIX months of age.... BUT they never stop growing. I doubt the new dragon will be emotionally mature enough to mate Saphira
-Editor
Where do you pull that from??? Saphira had the same mind (minus field experience) now that she did when she hatched!!! Or have you failed to notice that??? And once again, it's only a year's difference. And I'd be willing to bet money that most of y'all's parrents are AT LEAST 1 year apart. AFM
True... but MY parents ARE NOT a year old........ Right now, age is THE big difference that separates Saphira and the male in the last egg. You don't know if Saphira would prefer an older male or not do you...? Editor
i think that greeny has already been hatch and living in the forest but also dragons dont ever hit menopause they live forever and write ur name -Patteh
She just wants a GOOD mate (meaning non-evil). I don't think she gives a dang about how old he is.... And people can go anonymous if they like.... but I would venture to think that his name is editor. AFM
Hmmm... yes I'd have to haphazard that Saphira WANTS a good mate... that much is obvious as she rejected Thorn already merely because of the side he's on..... but I don't think the green will mate with her... it IS possible that the new dragon won't WANT to mate with Saphira... however unlikely that is ... I know...(Me llamo LA Editora) Pay attention to the definite article ~_o Editor
Oh so you're a guy (just joking I know the spanish....). Now I'm speaking from what I think most guys (including me) think like........ Last girl on earth and me........ I'm really gonna pass that up now aren't I (that's sarcasm..... a TON of sarcasm) AFM
Well if the guy is REALLY REALLY ugly... ..... ha ha ha but no seriously... Saphira could have her own reasons... besides who's to say there aren't plenty of hunky, wild male dragons out there in unexplored territory? Either that or Saphira could take back her refusal of Thorn after Thorn has done some ..... wonderous deed ...... that happens to save the planet from Galby's clutches.... ooooooohhhhhhh intrigue.. -Editor
Ahhh... But thorn would have broken vows in the AL and most likely would be destroyed in the process. AFM
What if Greeny likes Saphira, but Saphira does not return his love? - person
That doesn't sound very likly. Given that there are only three dragons left, one being Shruigen. Besides, if the egg does hatch for Arya (And I SOOOO hope it doesn't) Then Due to Eragon's feeling for Arya Saphira will probably fall for the green dragon. Just a little something I'm basing of what she tells Eragon when they meet Trianna in the first book.---Ren
I think that the green Dragon will hatch for Arya so that Eragon and Arya can get together and so can Greeny and Saphira. If Saphira was with Thorn , then Eragon couldn't be with Murtagh.
Saphira (Celibate)
Here's a thought, when Eragon, Orik, and Saphira fly past the place where the wild dragons once went to mate, Saphira says they must go back and visit. What's to prevent them from returning and finding a wild dragon? I'm sure some could have escaped Galbatorix -Ericat9
What if Saphira never has a mate? (at least in the book) what if she never has any offspring. possibly, when Eragon leaves with Saphira, the only female dragon, the race of dragons in Alagaesia will end forever. just a thought. - Eringon
That appeals to me. Unfortunately, that will never happen. In Eragon's vision/dream, he sees two dragons flying overhead, two people on a boat, and a person screaming on the shore. Who would the second dragon be, other than Greeny or Thorn? --Kystra 08:18, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Isn't it possible, that one dragon in the sky is Saphira (obviously) and the other is the green dragon? It also could be Thorn, but i don't think Saphira will ever WANT to be with him. What if Saphira and the green dragon have feelings for each other, just haven't had children? The two people on the boat (Kystra, i know you won't like this, but bear with me) are Eragon and Arya. Eragon is leaving Alagaesia forever, just as Angela said, and Arya is coming with him because she loves him. - Eringon
Or it could be Murtagh and Eragon on the boat, Arya screaming on the shore, screaming because Eragon regected her, and Thorn and Saphir in the sky. --Kystra 09:58, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Remember in the dream though, it said Eragon couldn't make out who the two tall people on the boat were, (most likely two elves, Eragon and Arya) but one was a woman. The reason he didn't recognise himself was because in the dream, he was an elf. I don't think Murtagh will have a gender change. That would be a little odd. - Eringon
It says, in the first paragraph of the chapter Deathwatch as follows, "Their faces were obscured by cowls, but he could tell that one was a woman." i think this refers to the tall woman with the tall man. the sentence starts in the middle of line 6 in the soft cover version. - Eringon
The most probable answer would be that the 2 figures on the boat are Eragon and Arya, with Saphira and Greeny in the sky (possible mate?) and Murtagh or Roran on shore. ~~Saphrina~~
If there aren't other female dragons in the wild, Galbatorix has done a truly horrible thing. Among normal animals having a genetic bottleneck of only one mother leads to genetic degradation. Saphira can have children allright, her grandchildren though will be problematic... Ikokki 09:43, 28 February 2007 (EST)
what if Saphira never has a mate? what if she and the green dragon fall in love, but they don't mate? what if after the exisiting dragons, the race of dragons ceases to exist in Alagaesia? these are all possibilities... - Eringon
I think that Saphira will mate with the green dragon and it will be ridden by a girl who i think will NOT be Arya (It wouldn't be right it would turn out 2 good 4 eragon and to much good for one person makes a story a not great 1).... yeah i said it. I also think that the rider of the green dragon will possibaly be the daughter of Galibortix or another of the traitors (it says that they all had personal lives only Galbortix knew about) also Murtagh is definatly crying on the ground. ~~PB4l~~ I gotta say im thinking katrina might be the rider of the green dragon u cant say its not possible and perhaps its eragon crying on the ground. ---sillylady
One problem there. There's one egg left. Saphira wouldn't be flying away, and thorn will die, so will Shruikan. So greeny has to be there, but we're missing one dragon. Also, it is Eragon's destiny to leave forever, so he will go for sure. Which means Roran wouldn't go because there's only one spot for a guy. And I don't think Katrina is tall, is she now? And plus, I guess she has no access to the egg. AFM
She's currently the Ra'zac's captive, they could have the egg with them, guarding it. They could expose her to it and see if it hatches for her. If Saphira doesn't matr with the greeny, she will probably find a wild on in the Spine or in the wild somewhere. --Axle Grease 10:15, April 27 2007
If there aren't other female dragons in the wild, Galbatorix has done a truly horrible thing. Among normal animals having a genetic bottleneck of only one mother leads to genetic degradation. Saphira can have children allright, her grandchildren though will be problematic... Ikokki 09:43, 28 February 2007 (EST)
Not necessarily..... there's no proof that it would do it in magical beings, and incest just INCREASES the risk of disease, not garuntees (srry for spelling) it. AFM
I think that there will be some wild dragons... even if there's only one or two, the odds are good that there will be a male. That is who I think Saphira will mate with. She would never mate with Thorn (I think she would quite happily die instead) and Galbatorix would never risk letting Shruikan get involved (romantically) with someone else. If Shruikan turns against him, he would be defeated, undoubtedly. Also, Shruikan is quite old, comparatively. Saphira's mate would not be Glaedr because first, he's her mentor and that's just wrong, and second, he is much older than her. Her mate would also not be Greeni because he would be quite a bit younger than her. This leaves only a wild dragon. -Alyn
Not necessarily. It isn't impossible for Saphira to mate with Greeny and there's a good chance that it will happen.--Axle Grease 17:07, 9 May 2007 (Eastern Australian Time)
The time difference isnt really that much of a span. If you think about it (this is an example) Murtagh was captured 2 or 3 days after the battle. About a week and a half to two for Eragon to leave Farthen Dur. Then (Im not sure about this part, please correct me if im wrong) a month and a couple of weeks to get to Du Welvarden. He spent probably around 6 to 7 months training. He then spent 3 days getting to the next battle. Then maybe about 1 or 2 days before seeing murtagh and his dragon. Meanwhile, Murtagh was presented to the red dragon egg. It probably took a long time to get to Urubaen. A month or two im assuming (Murtagh was probably traveling with some Urgals that remained loyal to the Empire). So iff u calculate all that information then you would get somewhere around 5-7 months. Correct me if I'm wrong but Thorn and Saphira were about the same size (perportionally). Of course there might be some difference in size but i took the impression Thorn was big enough to prove a threat to Saphira. Unless Thorn was the victim to dark magic (I think unlikely), dragons grow very large very fast. I'm thinking they grow rapidly and then start to slow down a little. I took the impression Thorn was a bit smaller than Saphira but he had thicker legs meaning he was a stout dragon. If this is true then it wouldnt take long to get big enough for Saphira to find suitable.- the very very wise
Perhaps male dragons grow at a different rate as the females, assuming Galby didn't use magic to speed up Thorn's growth.--Axle Grease 10:42, 10 May 2007 (Eastern Australian Time)
Or maybe Saphira's just small for a dragon. Or maybe Thorn's just big for a dragon (for their respective ages) Or maybe it doesn't matter, because they never stop growing at all. AFM
Saphira isnt a small dragon because Brom commented that she was a fine dragon for her age. I dont think anything stunted her grwoth during the time span up to the meeting of Thorn. Unless she was hurt when Eragon was wounded. It said Thorn was a stout dragon but as it seems he was a challenge to saphira on the burning plains. Dragons do grow for there entire lives but i took the impression that they stopped growing rapidly at a certain age.- the very very wise
Fair enough.--Axle Grease 1:00, 14 May 2007 (Eastern Australian Time)
Fine doesn't mean big, but I don't think she's small. I was just throwing out possibilities. I'd go more for it doesn't matter because dragons are so big anyway. AFM
it accuctally says in the book that thorn is smaller but thicker in the legs and neck -Patteh
Well lemme add MY two cents here.... there is no way in heck Saphira would remain celibate... to have it on your conscience that YOU were the dragon that ended your species... well.... Editor
I figure it's high time us mods join in on the action, sooo... : ). The species will most likely end, unless more wild dragons are discovered. Even if Saphira mates with the green dragon, Thorn, or Glaedr, who will her children mate with? And theirs? If she has female children - if - they can mate with one of the others, and it is still highly unlikely the Glaedr will mate. The race would stop there. The only possible salvation for the dragons is the discovery of wild dragons, something entirely possible, but perhaps unlikely. However, there are occasional mentions of a new era, and phrases that can be interpreted to mean that perhaps it would be better for Alagaesia without Riders, that perhaps they need to learn to survive on their own. In considering Galbatorix and his reign, Eragon says that an eternal ruler, or someone in power that never will die, is unhealthy for a people. If the three dragon eggs are the last of their kind, then perhaps it would be for the best if Alagaesia is given a chance to stand on its own two feet. And besides, wouldn't that be a meaningful ending? Something more than just accomplishing their goals by the finale, but having some philosophical edge to it? Saphira could remain celibate, and we'd get a nice, riding-off-into-sunset ending with Eragon and Saphira leaving, like the elves did in LotR : ). Thoughts? - Cate
YAY! Cate joins all of the insane people! As Awesome as that would be, I don't think CP will let the dragons die. Not only will all the rabid fanpeople who want the dragons to survive will stalk him and kill him, but it would kind of destroy the whole point of the Varden's mission.--Kystra 07:37, 5 July 2007 (PDT)
Besides, unless eggs are left in Alagaesia, Saphira and Greeny leave (for Alalea maybe??) and dragons will probably exist there and there will be no problem for Saphira's kids, they just won't be in Alageasia. AFM
I think it will be the green dragon mainly because I think Arya is gonna be it/his Rider, so that would be perfect cause Eragon likes Arya. I think Arya will be the Rider because the count of girl Riders is at ZERO, while the BR count is 4, and boy dragons 3 to 1 girl.-Saphiraluvver
Nothing garentees that Arya will be the third dragon's rider. It could be Roran.--Kystra
Yes and no..... If it's Roran, then who will be the King of Alageasia? It won't be Eragon, he leaves. No rider would be king. Nasuada's death is foreshadowed by her telling him that he is next in line for the Varden. Orik will be king of the dwarves (and if not definitely not the king of men).... So it pretty much leaves either Roran or someone like Jeod or Horst...... AFM
Or an elf with some [stupid] speech about recovering the land From Galbatorix's rule *gag* --Kystra
But as we have been saying all along, character development. there arnt any other developed characters to be king. no elf will be the king of men, it would be just like have a rider as king, they live forever also. I agree with AFM, roran cant be the rider because of the fact that hes going to be king. which leaves only one other developed character to be the next rider.--Eragon man 18:29, 5 August 2007 (PDT)
Still, the onl reason the elves were in hiding was because of Galbatorix. If he is dea, then Vanir or someone could become king (or queen).--Kystra
That's possible --Axle Grease 10:47, 10 March 2007 (EST)
Anyway back to the main subject. As i see it there are only 3 options for Saphira Greeny, Thorn, or a wild dragon. Greenies an obvious choice. Thorn because its not sure that he is really evil. He might just be uner control of Galby. Wild dragons are another option since Eragon is leaving Alagaesia forever. (Darksmith)
I think if it came down to it Saphira would definately choose to mate with thorn. Alothough Murtaghs expressed his feelings on the matter, we still havent heard what thorn think... i will wait to see what the third book say son it.-very very wise
I havn't read all of the page, just some so i don't know if this theory has already been mentioned. It's a bit "out-there" but possible (although i personally don't belive it). Did anyone think that Thorn had hatched for Murtagh BEFORE he 'escaped' from Uru'baen? Murtagh could have been Galby's spy (assuing the Ra'zac told galby of eragorn). This would explain Thorn's rapid growth, although i don't know how Murtagh and thorn could have been seperate for so long. Just a theory. Please discuss ----English Eragorn Fan
In my opinion, saphira would mate with the Green Dragon, whoose rider will be female. I believe this because A) Saphira wouldn't choose Thorn or Shruikan because they are both 'baddies' B) She won't mate with Thorn or Shruikan because that would mean that Eragorn would have to have feelings for the other rider due to his and saphira's connection (I can't give a page reference but it is somewhere in Eldest, i think) and this would make Eragorn gay, or at least Bi, which i don't think C.P. would do. For this reason i also believe the rider will be female ----English Eragorn Fan
I doubt feelings of compasion would be held by male dragon riders even if their dragons mated. They would probably just become good friends not romantic companions.
I agree with some of you, in that Saphira would never mate with an evil dragon. There still is a possibility that she will mate with Thorn, but it is very unlikely (and I dont think she would be forced to mate with him, because Paolini wouldn't put that kind of stuff in his books). Anyway, Gldaer is out of the question, as is Shrukain, but that still doesn't mean she won'nt. It is her choice to whom she mates with, and if she thinks it right to joing good and evil together, than that is what will happen. Remember, she is quite wise, even for her age. As for the green dragon.... I stop there. I am quite confuzed about him, and.. well... everyone is saying different things. He's too young and not mature enough to mate... but they can wait until he is older... but Saphira would never mate with and evil dragon (assuming he is on the Empire's side)... Arya would never let him (assuming she will be the Rider)-- but there is one problem with that, and that is he has the right to choose whom he is to mate with, and if Arya forbid him to do it, that would be like telling him he cant eat. I think I'll just wait to see what happens. :D - xxSaphireDragonxx
i think that Saphira will mate with greeny not with any other dragon because 1. she even said she would never mate with a evil dragon 2. Gladr is WAY to old 3. she couldn't mate with any other dragon because that would probably make Eragon gay. And CP would never do that._ Eragon freak
But who said that the scene of the dragons, the tall people and the man crying happened in Alagaësia?? Maybe the 2 dragons are Thorn and Greeny, with Murtagh and Arya, and the man crying is Eragon... That would happen in Alalea: Murtagh and Arya go back to Alagaësia and Eragon has to stay there for some reason, Angela predicted it.--Fpicky
That's an idea.--Axle Grease 15:10, 9 January 2008 (Eastern Australian Time)
What about the fact that like elves, because they are immortal, and is quite common in nature, dragons probably don't take permanent mates, just a thought.
I like Fpicky's idea execpt for 1. the fact that Greeny may not be a male dragon and 2. there is no chemistry between Murtagh and Arya.-Square'ead
maybe she wont mate..but i doubt it because after all CP doesnt have imagination for stuff liek that.
lol it took me ages to read this page, anyway Murtagh said that greeny is male, and y would Arya love Murtagh. The people in the boat is probably Eragon and Arya and the dragons r probably Saphira and Greeny.
