Shruikan's Destined Rider (Theories)
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1. Glaedr
2. Thorn
3. The Green Dragon
But... -Glaedr has said no to Saphira.
-Thorn and Murtagh are under Galbatorix's control
-Until the third book is released we know nothing about "Greeny" so til then he has hatched we can't be sure of anything (BUT he is the MOST LIKELY CHOICE!!!).
HOWEVER (dun dun dun...)
What about Shruiken?
While he might be a unsuitable mate for SAPHIRA, why shouldn't he be linked to someone else?
- Remember: He did not CHOOSE to hatch for Galbatorix (Americanfightingman... he already hatched for someone, whom Galbatorix killed... remember??) - Therefore: There is a person, elf or human, who was supposed to ride the black dragon.
Perhaps... When he comes into contact with his destined rider, he will probably form a natural link with him/her, and be free from Galbatorix's evil command.
Ok, guys what is up with this destined rider for shruiken. Shruikens original rider was killed, that's how galby was able to take shruiken. Besides, why would shruiken start acting nice and mate with saphira all of the sudden, when he's had thousands of years to change.-magic rocks
Another dragon for the Varden... Who hates and fears Galbatorix... Able to teach and train Eragon and Saphira when Oromis and Glaedr have passed away... What if Shruiken's real rider was supposed to be Nasuada?
1. She is in a powerful position to oppose Galbatorix.
2. As leader of the Varden, it seems inevitable that she and Shruiken would cross paths at some stage.
3. She is already familiar with magic, able to block her mind from spies.
4. She has dark skin, eyes and hair, and Shruiken has balck scales.
5. Without a dragon, Galbatorix would be easier to defeat.
6. Shruiken might have heard may of Galbatorix's secrets uncluding: -How he is so powerful -Murtagh's true name
He would be a huge asset to the Varden.
Perhaps he is not as twisted as we think...
(Shruiken already has his rider. -AFM)
asuada is 17 shruikins rider was killed before galbatorix became king
But u r forgetting that Shuikan's real rider was killed by Galbatorix! from I-AM-ARYA!!
Hang on, correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't a dragon die if the Rider is killed ? This could mean that Shruikan real Rider is still alive ! - privsy
I have a crazy theory on Shruikan's destined rider. Could it be that Shruikan was originally Brom's Saphira? I know it is truly mad since Brom's Saphira was according to Paolini's Christmas interview blue and probably female. Could it be that Galbatorix twisted with his dark magic Saphira so much that she changed not only color but also sex? I know, everything we have read on Brom is against this theory, Angela's explanation of Brom's doom before Farthen Dur was that Saphira I was killed before he could become a rider, but then again Brom never told Eragon of the Ra'zac's true nature. I know, my theory is unlikely, even I don't really believe it but I'll just write it down for the world Ikokki 09:37, 28 February 2007 (EST)
I think Shruiken will become a wild dragon. ~ Chid
its impossible for a riders dragon to become wild. once they are bonded with there rider, they gain the ability to talk, and they are less fierde. on the off chance that shruiken survived galbatorixes death, it would still be a riders dragon-Leon
But Shruikan is not bound (at least in the traditional way) to Galbatorix. He is made to serve him under the influence of dark magic. ~Chid
Should we also assume that Shruikan has already survived the death of his original rider? ~Chid
I assumed Shruikan's first rider, or his true rider, was knocked out when Galbatorix stole him away aand bound himself to Shruikan, then, supported by Galbatorix, Shruikan lived while Galbatorix killed off his real rider.--Kystra 08:42, 8 March 2007 (EST)
Whether or not Shruikan's intended rider was killed or just knocked out, he or she is long gone; it has been over 100 years. --Argetlam
This is all silly! Shruikan's original rider was KILLED!! it says so in the book! so it is impossible for him to link with another rider, unless they twist him like Galbatorix did! and Brom's real dragon! I'm open minded but it changed colour and sex is just silly! No it is most likely Shruikan will die when Galbatorix does, he may be freed but remeber thay have been linked for almost a 100 years now!--Shurtugal1433 17:38, 9 March 2007 (EST)
i agree. the book said that the origoinal rider was killed and had his dragon taken away, not the other way around.-Leon
I think that it is possible for Shruikan to get another true ridder.(not like Galbatorix) No other dragon has ever lived without it's ridder.Ther is a chance that it is possible.
To whomever wrote the first theorie I say this: Did you read the book carefully???????It said tha Shruikan's original rider was killed and so it can't be,of all people, NASUADA and if she was the rider why doesn't she use magic anymore? She would have twice the talnt of Du Vrangr Gata (forgive me if I got the name wrong)... Now this might sound a bit strange, but what if Shruikan's original rider was Faolin? I will understand if my theory is discarded because I have no real reason to believe this, it was just a thought..--Mel
Shruikan's rider was killed before or at the fall (near it anyway) The rider was KILLED when the dragon was taken. Faolin died when Durza captured Arya, about 100 years after the original rider DIED!!!!!!!! AFM
OK..so im well aware ill probably be flamed BUT... so it's almost impossible for a dragon to live without a Rider... Shruikans Rider died 100 years ago... Now I KNOW the book says that its impossible to bring back anything from the dead.. BUT it does NOT say anything about ANIMATING a body.. so my theory is that shruikan actually died 100 years ago, and galbatorix is just keeping the body functioning, and fighting off decay. Perhaps without realizing it.
Brom's dragon was killed around the time of the fall, what if Galby actually took Broms Saphira and made it seem like she was killed and turned her into Shruikan??? RPC
No. Morzan killed saphira (the first) in front of Brom. It says she was killed during the fighting. Brom probably would've utilized his greatest asset and fought on or near Saphira. So she would have been killed in front of his eyes. Besides, Saphira would still be linked with Brom. Dragon's can survive their riders deaths (despite what the movie said) it's just very rare. AFM
Can you give a quote and page number??!! I wanna check
What if Shruikan's Rider was Nasuada's mom? Give me feedback, I want opinions.-Saphiraluvver
Yeah, maybe that's why they didn't talk about her! I like that, I suddenly felt very happy when I read it!It's brilliant, I support your theory.--Svits 18:07, 15 April 2007 (PDT)Svits
i don't know, i don't think that that would work because that was(as you say) 100 years ago, so how could she look still so young and yet be 100 years old? No, i don't think that her mom was the rider.-Bacon
BUT she (Nasuada) and her parents could be elves cause remember when ormis said elves could change their appearance to whatever they wanted it to be so they could take away their pointed ears and make them round.(so look human and still live a really long time.)
You may be right, I'll think about how it could work. In the meantime, never mind.-Saphiraluvver
what? you can't say "in the meantime" and then not say anything.-Bacon
I don't know where, but it said that Brom watched Saphira die. As to Shruikans rider being killed, read the little thing in the front of Eldest that summarizes Eragon, it never said in Eragon that the rider was killed, just that the hatchling was stolen. However, it does in the summary in Eldest. AFM
I liked Saphiraluvver's statement, it gave me the same effect as Svits...but here's what doesn't work in the elves/varden leader idea...remember how much difficulty Eragon had when fighting the Urgals in the war at Tronjheim? Ajihad had a similar difficulty when he was killed [obviously]...if they were elves, he would have lived (he killed so many Urgals even as a human), his magical abilities as an elf would have led him to pursue the Twins and Murtagh, he would be as fast as Arya, and it would ruin the entire plot...sorry! I really did like the idea! -- Argetlam101 04:36, 31 August 2008 (CDT)
what if shrikan bonds with a new rider. befor you shoot me down, rember elva, she was marked by saphra, who had aready marked eragon. so, logically, shrican could mark sombody and they would become his rider.-anomus
that is a good point. i've never thought of that.-Bacon
Bacon, (P.S. What kind of nickname is that?) I meant forget about it for right now. Also, what if Galby wiped her memory and because Shruikan was still alive she lived on? Plus that might have wiped Shruikan's mem. of another Rider.-Saphiraluvver
that is a nickname that my friends gave me because of my last name, and i don't think that could happen (mem being wiped thru link) because it just doesn't seem right to happen.-bacon
AFM, I got your back. Brom's dragon Saphira, is reported by Brom to be killed during the fighting on Doru Areaba on page 274. Also, it says nothing whatsoever of Shruikan even having a rider. Listen- Through this gate Galbatorix entered and stole a dragon hatchling. Eragon pg 33. So, therefore, Galbatorix could be the destined rider. Samuss
Samuss, you do have a good point. If the dragon was still a hatchling, Galbatorix may have been destined for it, or he tainted the egg with dark magic - privsy
y would he steal a dragon hatchling if he was the destined rider? if Shuriakan didn't have a rider yet, i'm guessing that he touched him before the right rider did, making him the Rider of Shuriakan.-bacon
gabby cant be a ride. in eldistit says that galbsatorix used dark magic to bind himself to shuican.- anonmus.
anonmus, if your going to talk please spell the things right if they're there right in front of your face! and i forgot that it said that, thank you.-bacon
Right what do you think of this?: 1. Shruikan hatches. 2. The rider whom he hatched for has not yet touched him. 3. Galbatorix comes and killed Shruikan's rider (Shruikan surviving because he was not yet fully "bonded" with his rider). 4. Since Shruikan did not hatch for Galbatorix, Galbatorix must twist Shruikan with dark magic to make him "serve" him. Opinions? -Spirit_of_the_Dragons_Lost
My guess is not (too big a loophole). And it does say that the destined rider was killed. U have to read the summary of Eragon in the front of Eldest. (non-deluxe hardback) AFM
I thought Shruikan's original rider was killed... Hmmmm... Maybe I should read Eragon and Eldest through again (I haven't read them in a while). -Spirit_of_the_Dragons_Lost
Everywhere except in the front summary of Eldest (not on the red paper cover, but actually after the table of contents in a prologue type thingy) it says the dragon hatchling was stolen. However, in the summary, it affirms that the dragon's rider was killed. That's what I said. AFM
and _spirt_of_the_Dragons_Lost, I ALREADY SAID THAT ABOUT GALBBY TOUCHING THE DRAGON BEFORE THE RIDER THAT HATCHED IT DID! don't you read what gets said before you write stuff??????????-bacon
I only was saying how I supposed Shruikan survived his rider's death, and how Galbatorix managed to twist Shruikan to serve him. I've seen lots of people repeat others "points" lots of times. Oh, and good point though. -Spirit_of_the_Dragons_Lost
That's a theory, supported nowhere in the text. Besides, what are the chances a dragon hatches (it can't be known ahead of time) right as Galbatorix is trying to steal one. AFM
that's what i've alswys been thinking, how did the elves know who the dragon hatched, do you know how many people must have touched the egg before the dragon hatched!-bacon (Sorry accidentally deleted most of your name while backspacing, hope that's the right one AFM)
We have to assume that it hatched when the rider touched it. The dragon would know that it had to at this time, and would hatch then. However, Saphira wasn't rushed, so she may have decided to take her time. AFM
how about this. The elves and humans bring forth all of age. When the dragon is in the presence of its match in the middle of all the others, it hatches. Then the dragon is touched by all the people, the chosen one comes out with the shining palm. If you think about it, it would explain alot how saphira hatched for Eragon (just without the hundred other people there).- the very very wise
that is a really good point! we are so far off topic right now, i wonder why they just don't delete everything and make us all start over.--Eragon Shadeslayer 05:31, 21 May 2007 (PDT)
back to topic, Shruikan's chosen rider was whoever Galby killed, but ione could really argue that Galby was "destined" to ride Shruikan. AFM
i would have to diagree with that, because if he was destined to ride him, why didn't he hatch for Galby?--Eragon Shadeslayer 05:43, 29 May 2007 (PDT)
Dragon could have hatched after Galby's first.... that's besides the point.... the definition of destiny is "the predermined and inevitable series of events that happen to somebody or something"..... so since he was going to kill that rider and then ride shruikan, I could argue that it was Galby's destiny to have his first dragon die, and then to get shruikan.... AFM
but what about the whole thing of him having to twist him with dark magic to make him ride him? and did you look that up in a dictionary?
Ahem. On topic, is there really any evidence as to who was Shruikan's original/destined Rider? If not, I stick to my theory. It was Nasuada's mom.-Saphiraluvver
Look at the recap of book 1 in the beginning of the standard hard copy of Eldest. It says him when referring to Shruikan's rider..... so it can't be Nasuada's mom. And it wasn't Ajihad because it says the rider was killed. And it would be Galby's destiny (by definition) for him to twist Shruikan's mind, just as it was Darth Vader's destiny to throw Palpatine into whatever that pit thing was at the end of Star Wars Return of the Jedi (or whatever VI in the series is). AFM
When did we take a hard left into the confusing minds of star wars fans???????- the very very wise
Eragon parallels the story of Star Wars (rightful government overthrown, then bad government overthrown by guy of a "dead" order) Thought it'd be a good thing to relate too since most people know it. I'm not really a Star Wars Fan... I just watch the movies every now and then. AFM
Couldn't Shruikhan's origional rider have been Tornac, (murtagh's trainer)? Tornac might've not been killed because of some sort of magic. it would explain paolini telling eragon fans that more about tornac will be revealed. Alan
nooo... tornic wouldve been dead 100 years earlier and im sure galby wouldve rememberd the rider he killed and and stole his dragon from. and if u still think that it was him in disquise then think galby wouldve defentally checked his mind or woulve told somone to and if his dragon was taken as a hatchling then he wouldnt have enough power or knowledge to decive a trained magician. -Patteh
couldn't tornac have been in a similar position to murtagh? trusted by galby, but not pledged to serving him until he tried to escape with murtagh. what if galby made murtagh think he killed tornac but actually didn't, just like eragon thought murtagh was dead but actually wasn't??? what if galby couldn't kill tornac because shruikan would only remain alive while tornac would. THEN once tornac was recaptured, would have had to promise galby not to escape again and would have become maybe the head of magicians of the empire or something. that would explain why murtagh was more willing to be pledged to galby's service! Alan
well ur just spewing nonsense now tryin 2 defend a pointless point but it says in eragon that tornac was killed and im sure that cp wouldnt use the same deception trick again plus he was hardly mentioned in eragon and not at all in eldest -Patteh
Okay, Tornac taught Murtagh.... Murtagh is around 20 I'm guessing.... MAX. If Tornac was Shruikan's rider, he would've been dead roughly 80 years before Murtagh was born..... how do u explain that? AFM
i agree with AFM. it's silly nonsense that tornac was shruikan's dragon rider. tornac is more likely 2 b an ex-forsworn rider. wat about Haeg? Haeg could've bn shruikan's old rider. Galby may hav pledged Haeg to his service instead of killing him and training him 2 become a sorceror. then once trained, took on an apprentice of his own, thus creating durza. THINK ABOUT THAT! 9.5
Haeg couldnt be shruikans old rider because that rider died (i dont understand why people feel differently) and also haeg practiced sourcery not regular magic. -Patteh
ok, ur probably rite. but wat do u think about tornac being a ex-forwsorn? 9.5
hey i hav a theory! wat if jeod wuz shruikan's old rider? wasn't it oromis who said that shruikan's first rider was killed? how does he know? for all we know, oromis could have been lying. he wasn't speaking in the ancient language, was he? jeod could be a half elf and that would be why he looks so young for someone that's maybe one hundred and ten years old. It would explain why Brom and Jeod had such a close friendship. BOTH of them having their dragons lost to galbatorix. but this is just a theory. correct me if im wrong, iv only read the inheritance books thru twice each. -shadeking
Tornac being an ex foresworn wouldnt work... im sure the elves knew the names of all the foresworn and it wouldve been mentioned im sure. and joed being shruikans old rider wouldnt work when brom and eragon were in teirm wit joed joed mentions ALOT how hes aging and broms not and brom makes a comment about how joeds time is endin... if u want i can get a quote. -Patteh
hey, that really makes sense! well, i still think shruikan's first rider survived and is out ther sumwher. i just really wanna know which character would make sense 2 b shruikan's destined rider -Shadeking
If any id say angela just cause shes cool, knows about the elves and stuff but i dout thats that rider is alive. -Patteh
Oromis's lessons were in the AL so Eragon would master it faster. Tornac couldn't have been a forsworn because Brom and the Varden hunted them down too early for them to have taught Murtagh how to effectively swordfight. CP himself told us that Shruikan's original rider was dead, so it doesn't matter what the heck Oromis said anyway. And who the heck is Haeg? AFM
its durzas master b4 he was durza. -Patteh
thanks for asking that, because i was wondering who he was also.--Eragon Shadeslayer 11:52, 27 June 2007 (PDT)
And y'all think a sorceror would be a rider..... a rider wouldn't need to use spirits to accomplish magic (or whatever it technically is) AFM
i believe shruikan's rider will b revealed too... cause in each book so far a new dragon and rider is revealed and an old dragon rider is revealed. In ERAGON, eragon and saphira as the new dragon and rider, brom as the old rider. In ELDEST, murtagh and thorn as the new dragon and rider, oromis as the old rider. In E_____, greeny and his rider as the new dragon and rider, shruikan's old rider as the old rider. that's wat i reckon anyway. and when did cp say that? give me feedback. 9.5
im not AFM but it said in the book that shrukians rider was dead -Pattteh
but when in the book?! When did it say that? 9.5
Well if you READ and COMPREHEND the words, and DON'T skip over parts... it's very clear .... although I'm not judging those who may have believed it..... In the first novel on page 33...
"Galbatorix convinced Mozan to leave a gate unbolted in the citadel Ilirea, which is now called Urubaen. Through this gate Galbatorix entered and stole a dragon hatchling. He and his new disicple hid themselves in an evil place where the Riders dared not venture......"
And so on and so forth.... NO WHERE does it say that Shruikan's intended rider is dead, murdered, or the victim of some unatural grievance. Read it for yourselves. HOWEVER... we can deduce that due to the long span of time between then and the now in the novel, without the dragon magic to prolong his/her life, the original rider is deceased.
Editor
I have the old eldest.... hardcover, 681 pages including acknowlegements...... The EXTERIOR PAPER COVERING that comes wrapped around the book.... with the picture of Thorn on front, Eldest in gold lettering, then CP's name in white..... Whatever,,,,, it wasn't where I've been saying it was..... but I'm POSITIVE that it says in some obscure paragraph in the book that the rider was killed. It might have been in Eragon....... It all comes from reading the books way too much.... can't remember where anything is....... AFM
Weellllllllllll, I too have to hardcover Eldest and I don't remember anywhere in the text, the mentioning of the death of Shruikan's rider... I guess I always just supposed... so until you can counter with it.. my finding will just have to stand
Editor
I'm not going to read both books again to find it.... but I'm positive that I saw it somewhere. It very well could've been said by Brom or Oromis that the rider was killed....... which could mean that he is still alive and they just don't know...... However, I would say the whole thing is completely unlikely. AFM
Well, whatever.. the old rider is probably dead and gone so no harm done! But seriously... why is this topic even on here? Shruikan DOES have a rider albeit the fact that they're both bonded by evil magic and not.... whatever the traditional bond is made of!
Editor
Sorry for thinking this but what about Evandar? He ruled the Elves from Illerea,but was killed in the fighting.-Eragonshadeslayer
Nah.... Oromis would have told Eragon. And Arya would have mentioned it probably. And definitely queen Izlanzadi. AFM
Yeah,but there are still many secrets that Oromis never told Eragon,like who was his dad, how Galbatorix gets stronger every year and how his power was incapacitated by the Forsworn. And even if Evandar was not Shruikan's rider, could it be possible for: 1.The destined rider to come in the prescence of the egg. 2.The rider leaves the room.(Remember it did take Eragon some time with Saphira's egg for it to hatch) 3.When ther is no one in the room the egg hatches. 4.Galbatorix stumbles across the egg and...thinking of the hatchling's colour resemblence to his first dragon steals the hatchling. So the rider would have to: 1.Have lived for hundred years.(So its either an elf,or an unusually powerful magician) 2.Be able to cast black-coloured magic. I know it may sound stupid,but I do have some other theories.-Eragonshadeslayer
Nah... Saphira only hatched after awhile because she had time. The eggs probably began to hatch instantly when their rider was near and about to move away. I don't remember it ever saying the color of Galby's original dragon..... and the rider would probably be dead because the link never would have been established between the rider and the dragon thus there would be no magic color and no extended life period. AFM
The part about Galbatorix's dragon being black is only a hypothesis and when I meant about the extensive lif part,I meant that The destined rider would have had long life already-like an elf-Eragonshadeslayer
I think that Saphira's egg took longer to hatch then normal because the ideal circumstances for her to hatch would be when Garrow and Roran had forgotten about the "stone." If she had hatched before Eragon and Garrow went to see the Traders, Eragon would have been forced to explain what happened to the egg. Note that Saphira hatched the very night after the Traders cam to Carvahall. I know this is a bit off subject, but ther was some arguing about it in the previous comment things. --ChrisTYbjartskular 04:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
that is actually a really good theory! i've never thought of it like that.-ES
Might I ask what the point of this whole page is? I thought it said clearly in the synopsis of Eragon that's in Eldest that Galbatorix killed Shruikan's original Rider. It also says that Galby stole a dragon hatchling not egg. So him twisting Shruikan probably would have killed the Rider, anyway.-Halfelven
I personally think that Galbatorix will be wrong about the green dragon being male, forcing Saphira to mate with Thorn, and In one of the firsts posts, the one about Nasuada, her dark skin has nothing to do with it. Eragon doesn't have blue skin does he?- Anduril, Flame of the West
I was re-reading Eldest and found a part where Oromis says to Eragon, "With Morzan's help Galbatorix stole a dragon hatchling, killing the original Rider in the process." So, he/she is dead. -Halfelven
Discussion
Shruikans destined rider is dead, Galbatorix and Morzan killed him together. --Esterni 22:37, 7 February 2007 (EST)
It sort of fits more likely for Shruikan to belong to Ajihad, or to have belonged to Ajihad before he had died, which more likely leaves it now for Nasuada as it was said on the other page of who Shruikan's destined rider should be. Which also means that because riders get a sword the colour of your dragon, Nasuada gets a nice black sword.
There is also (even though it is very odd) a chance that Shruikan could have belonged to Elva's grandfather. Who may have suffered dearly because the dragon was stolen. Which could mean that he may have wanted to give it to his son (Elva's dad) as a gift.
Then Elva with her dark powers could be the heir to own the Dragon, Shruikan. Shruikan would also fit Elva's dark powers with his dark colours.
Nasuada, Ajihad and Elva are all too young. Shruikan is a couple of hundred years old. --Shadow
A dragon can only have one rider, period. If his original rider died, which it did, then there wouldn't be a destined rider for him anymore. Even if their was a second possible rider, then why would it have been ajihad or someone like that. If it was ajihad, then ajihad or shruiken would haver looked for the other person, and formed a bond. Still, there is only one, I repeat one, possible rider for ever non-wild dragon, and the original one for hsruiken died along time ago!! That in itself is an odd feat, because dragons are supposed to die along with/when their riders die!-magic rocks
okay this is real farfetched, but what if Shruikan's rider was Faolin? it would explain how he survived all that time. and for those of u who say that he was killed, sorry but i cant find my eldest book i think my sister dropped it down the drain or something, how would the person that was talking know? were they there? oh, and another thing. when did it say that shruikan was a boy? and when did it say he had black scales? sorry, this totoly and completely my sister's fault. for those who just threw my theorie in the trash, i have something to say. my art teacher once didn't let us use black on a picture the reason for that is because there is no black in nature.so im thinking that myabe shruikan's not really black, just a real dark indigo that looks like it's black. AND(sorry this si too long) wasn't the flower that Faolin made for Arya dark purple? that might mean he made it with dark purple majic! plz correct me if im wrong, lie i said before, i think my sis accidentally flushed my book down the can while she was having an attack of teen ankst. -Elfmaid
