The Menoa Tree (Theories)
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What is the weapon under the menoa tree? This hard to explain and it will take a long time. the big question about this is that "has eragon already gotten this gift or will he get it in book 3?" If he already got this weapon then there is really no point in explaining this theory because it wouldn't be a theory. but i think that he has NOT gotten the weapon because i think the weapon will be an actual weapon not eragon's "transformation". i really think that the weapon will be broms sword. some people think that the weapon will be for the green dragon rider too but the fact that Solembum only said that there was a weapon to eragon, than i think that only eragon will get the weapon. solembum said that the weapon was under the roots of the menoa tree i dont think he meant it literally ithink he meant the roots of the menoa tree by the two people that formed it. i think that eragon will have to find the decendents of the 2 people that formed it. when eragon finds them, they will give him brom's sword and he will leave and go kill Galby for Brom and with brom's sword!!! GO BROM
-Well, about that. Didn't it say that Eragon would never return to Du Weldenvarden again? He made a promise to Oromis, but I though it said somewhere that little did he know, he wouldn't keep it? ~Chloe
What? It never said that. The only restricted area for Eragon will be the end of the story, the "leaving alagaesia forever" thing. --Enmire 23:48, 24 November 2006 (EST)
-Besides, since he made the promise to Oromis that he would return to Du Weldenvarden in the Ancient language, he can't break that promise, unless he is forced to in some way. -MrJ
- The weapon under the Menoa tree might not be a bladed weapon but something with which Eragon will convince Arya to give in to his love. After all the Menoa tree is a monument to misplaced love, under it might be a note by the elf who gave her conciousness to the tree that she would fall for her lover again. ikokki
I think that the weapon under the Menoa tree is refering to the tree itself('With unexpected suddenness, he ((Eragon)) encountered an immense entity, a sentient being of such colossal nature, he could not grasp the limits of its psyche. Even Oromis's vast intellect, which Eragon had been in contact with in Farthen Dûr, was dwarfed in comparison to this presence. The very air seemed to thrum with the energy and strenght that emanated from...the tree' Eldest pg 306) and throught the tree, the entire forest of Du Weldenvarden because it says on pg 305 'A blanket of roots radiated from the tree's massive trunk, covering the ground with bark-sheathed veins that madeit seem as if the entire forest flowed out from th tree, as if it were the heart of Du Weldenvarden itself' Eragon could draw power from the tree itself the way Oromis taught him to draw energy from his surroundings, because of the trees emense power Eragon would be able to accomplish the most difficult spells, the spells that would even draw all of the energy out of Galbatorix,or that Galbatorix would killing himself trying to accomplish.- 125.255.27.90 17:50, 31 January 2007 (EST)--Daniel
I don't think that the Menoa tree itself is the weapon because to draw it's own energy would mean that Eragon was fighting Galbatorix within Ellesmera itself and that's not very likely.
But I think the weapon will be an actual weapon given to him by the family of the Elf Linnea. --Esterni 23:03, 7 February 2007 (EST)
Eragon will not get the sword from the elf family. Rhunon said that there were only two copies that she was awrare of that survived the fall (EDIT: This is not true, at least five dragon rider swords survived the fall Galbatorix's, Morzan's, Oromis's, and the two owned by the Elven families. -Spirit_of_the_Dragons_Lost). both of those were from the forsworn. Solembums prediction would also be usless if he got the sword somewhere else. Rhunon would know if the family of Linnea would have one of her swords.-Leon
Arya is called Menoa's scion in the song told by the elf in Ceris in honor of Arya's return. Maybe this has something to do with the weapon mentioned by Solemblum. ikokki
Ok well if the weapon isnt broms sward, what if the origonal eragons sward. the Menoan tree could be on top of his tomb. Just a thought and it works but it just takes thought and would add for a different twist.
sorry but no, Du Weldenvarden was there before the elves, and the menoa tree is the oldest of them all Eragon#1 was there after the discovery of it, not before the creation-Leon
I think that the weapon is Brom's sword. I'll give my reasons. 1. I beleive Brom was his father so it would be his inhearitanc. 2. Eragon needs a sword now 3. When they (Arya and Eragon) talked about the Menoa tree they also talked to Rhonun(sorry for sp.). Its a bit ironic that the title of that chapter was called "Under the Menoa Tree". ~CraZovrEragn
Why does everyone think that Brom is Eragon's father and not Morzan? -Heir of Eragon
Maybe he helped Selena escape to Caravhall and fell in love with her when he was trying to get his vengence on Morzan :D
because no one wants one of the most evil riders of all time to be Eragons father, and because there are plenty of things to support it-Leon
Im just spit ballin here, but what if under the meona tree is the vault of souls, and inside the vault is a wepon, posibly a superpowerful rider sword. - anonomus
Rock of Kuthain, remember, not the Tree of Menoa. -AFM
- 1. no one said the rock of kuthian was big, it could be the size of a peble#2. he was sayin that the rock of kuthian was under the Menoa tree.that is impossible though because solembum would not have separarted the prophecy if they were in the same place.-Leon
I like the 'Brom's sword' theory, but I have to completely disagree with the Brom being his father thing. Eragon being Murtagh's younger brother and Morzan's son adds an unexpected twist to the book, sort of like Darth Vadar and Luke in Star Wars - If it was a lie it would be pretty pointless introducing that discussion with Murtagh and Eragon near the end of Eldest.
It did put a nice twist. But it would put an even nicer twist on the book after we were already twisted for Brom to be Eragon's daddy. And this whole thing is the story of Star Wars/ American independence (Rebels that don't like a single power kick the dictatorships @$$ and set up a new country that kicks even more @$$) AFM
I think that the woman who bonded herself to the menoa tree is the daughter of the old female smith that Ayra brings to the Blood oath Celebration. Or vica-versa. this is B/C of a family tree, or something like that... random thought.-otomotopia
Methinks there is nothing to disprove it, and that would explain why she is so miserable. AFM
i think that Rhunon is extreamly happy. she gets to do what she loves with little to no interuption for years on end. who would be sad about that-Leon
i think that the wepon under the Menoa tree will be something of emense magical power or something, i think that CP said that the elves have two swords on purpose, one for eragon one for the reider of the green dragon rider. (arya)
i think that Rhunon forged 3 swords, 1 red 1 blue and 1 green and buried them under the Menoa Tree. Also the swords that the elf families are Forsworn swords.....
exactly.for some reason people think it is those swords, but those are the forsworns swords. even Rhunon stated that they were the forsworn swords, and she knows because she was the one who made them.-Leon
K look at the quote from Eragon's next sword thread. It never says that they were the Forsworn's swords, just that they were rescued from the Forsworn. AFM
ok i'll give you one thing, it never said it was the forsworn's swords, that still does not change the fact that Eragon is getting his weapon from under the Menoa tree and not from a elf family-Leon
Under the roots (origin). That's what I believe. I assume u know what I'm talking about. AFM
if eragon gets his sword from under the tree, then why would CP say there were 2 swords not 3 or 5. CP has been good about linking things that make sense not just cause he said so. he put that statment in for a reason.--eragon1301
i'm confused right now, how many swords are we talkin about again?-Bacon
Eragon gets one. The other is for Greeny's rider. AFM
yea so then what else could be under the tree, if both he and the green rider get them from the elf families.--eragon1301
Yes but wouldnt that fit. If arya and eragon both get their weapon form the elven families it would work because both are or resembal elves right, and murtage got his sword form eragon who might resembal an elf but is still human, right? so if by some strech it would fit, i think--Eragon man 21:04, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
sorry for sayin this, but i still think that just eragon will get a weapon from under the tree.-Bacon
I realize that roots can mean origin, but think about it this way under the origin? That makes no sense. The weapon may be looked after by the origin of the Tree, like the Caretakers looking after Dragon Lore, but the actual weapon will be under the tree. Samuss
that's how i've been thinking of it.-bacon
You two people are starting piss me off. state exactlty what solumbum says. then we can go from there.--Eragon man 14:55, 26 April 2007 (PDT)
crab! way to go Samuss we're tickin him off! YES! he says and i quote "When the time comes and you need a weapon, look under the roots of the Menoa tree. Then, when all seems lost and your power is insufficient, go to the rock of Kuthian and speak your name to open the Vault of Souls." ok, now where do you want to go?-bacon
Under the roots. Don't you look under a word in a dictionary to find the meaning. My point being, everything has multiple uses in the english language. CP is probably just playing with those. One of the swords is probably Brom's, which would by why Eragon would get it. My guess is Arya/greeny's rider gets a matching green one. As to being stored under the Menoa tree, very possible. Kinda combines the two theories. Just maybe.... AFM
i guess i can see where you're comming from.-bacon
it doesnt have to be Broms sword it could be very likely that it is some dead rider that was killed. His sword was then given to his family or something- the very very wise
but it would make a lot more sense if it was Brom's sword though.-bacon
Plus it fits the whole Brom Eragon's father/ Brom's dragon was a blue dragon named Saphira thing..... AFM (so the swords would match)
It would but then again it said Broms sword was lost in the fall. Either way would suit me.- the very very wise
true, but what if the elf family found it and kept it to give to the person (in this case Eragon) that was in great need of a riders sword and that was a rider.-Eragon Shadeslayer
Lost can mean misplaced, not erased from history completely. An elven family scavenging through the wreckage easily could haev found it. AFM
They would have given it back to Brom. Elves dont seem the type to keep what doesnt belong to them. And they would have searched imediately after the Forsworn left battlefield- the very very wise
but would they know the sword was his. Or it could have been found after he left the elves for the last time. AFM
Brom stayed a while after the battle. The elves would have searched the battle ground immediately after the Forsworn left. Riders were highly revered and they could have figured out whose it was. Keep giving me this theory and i will keep knocking it down.- the very very wise
i wish to make it clear that Eragons transformation is NOT his "new weapon"....check out the wikipedia article on book 3 if you dont believe me.-anonomys
i just might have to do that--Eragon Shadeslayer 12:13, 17 May 2007 (PDT)
Brom went back to Elesmera "very very wise." Look at the map in the front of the book. The battle field would have been a LONG way away, and Galbatorix still rules from there. AFM
Yes but not all the riders were killed in the fall as I recall. Alot were hunted down afterwards. It might be me but if my allies just had a huge battle that they lost, I would go search the battlefield. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear when i said elves. I meant elven riders.- the very very wise
And walk right into the HQ of the Forsworn? Riders were supposed to be pretty logical now... AFM
I was just thinking..... What if we took the shurtugals idea of the "roots of the menoa tree".... just twist it a little. Now they go back to the families with the weapons. But I just had this crazy thought that maybe the weapon isn't a physical weapon. Maybe Eragon somehow gains reason for that story to deeply motivate him..... maybe to make it work between him and Arya. Motivation is a wonderful thing. The simple motivation to live can keep u going though so many situations. What if him thinking back to the story of the origins of the menoa tree somehow deeply motivates him to keep alive so things work out.... (By the way, I think hungry man may have slipped some marijuana in my TV dinner so that's why I'm saying this) AFM
I think that Rhunon buried 3 swords under the Memnoa tree before making the vow never to craft swords again.She must have done this just in case a new powerful rider rose to defy Galbatorix.Orik mentions that she learnt her craft from a great dwarf smith. As the dwarfs are known for their abilities in working metal,her weapons must be powerful indeed.-Eragonshadeslayer
hmmmm, then why do you think she hasent given them to Eragon yet-Leon
I don't know.Maybe she does'nt think he is worthy of her swords? But when he first met her he already had Zar-roc,did'nt he?-Eragonshadeslayer
she probably wouldnt want Eragon using morzans blade, but still, good point-Leon
A very different idea, before the elf "became" the Menoa tree, the used a knife to kill another elf. What if that knife is slightly magical AND was in their possession when they "became" the Menoa tree. This would cause the knife to be underneath the tree if they droped it and then if you remember, Rhunon only said they would never make another weapon of death so Eragon could have her REFORGE the knife which would be a loophole, and it would not be a weapon of death, it would be a weapon of freedom and justice.
I think that Eragon may already have that weapon. Look at the scroll that Oromis gave Eragon before he left for Surda. Was it not a picture of the Menoa tree? What if the weapon of the prophecy is Eragon's own poem, to be realized "in the time of great need"?
Is it possible that Rhunon could combine the old riders swords if the resided in Du Weldenvaren? So she could provide Eragon with a fused ultimate sword from generations of riders past. -Ericat9
OMG! I just thought about it! Maybe, there is a safe place under it. Who knows, maybe during a battle, Saphira will need to have her eggs and the tree has a secret nation under there! Or they just might need a safe palce, and dragons live down there = Saphira + _________. -Person
I think that the wepon will be Brom's sword. For all we know Eragon and Murtagh could be halfbrothers. If it were Brom's sword then Eragon would get his rightful inheritance.
The only problem with that is that Rhunon herself said that Brom's sword was destroyed for he begged her to make him a new one.
No, i'm pretty sure it was he lost his sword, and couldn't find it, and then he came to her.-ES
At the end of eldest, Oromis pleads Eragon to return after the battle to continue his training. Going back to the Menoa tree to find his new weapon. It could be Brom's old sword. CP is such an amazing writer im sure he could blend it in beautifully. Maybe Rhunon would forge a new sword for him and go against her word and leave it there for him to find. Or maybe even Oromis may pass his sword down to him. That would make it interesting as well.
kk obviously the weapon is the brightsteel to make the sword-a bunch of theses pages are going to have to be deleted, aren't they?
