The Vault of Souls (Theories)
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I think that someone special to Eragon dies and Eragon goes to the vault of souls and gets them back. Because his power is insufficient because he cant bring back the dead? well, i think that is what happens. -bjartskulars
Remember in book 2 when Eragon tried to get into Murtagh's mind? and it said that his mind contained multitudes? Well couldn't that mean multitudes of souls? I think the vault of souls is where souls go when the bodys die? and couldn't that be how Galby is gaining more and more power every year? i think there is one definite place that the vault of souls could be. The Ra'zac's lair, Helgrind. The Ra'zac kill people, then they take they're souls and store them somewhere in helgrind, someone comes gets the souls and brings them to Uru'baen for the king and now Murtagh. wouldn't it be convenient if eragon and Roran defeat the Razac and find the vault of souls and rescue Katrina. Wouldn't it also be a convinient place to hide an egg? If the King stores enough faith in the Razac to supply him with more and more power it would be possible for him to trust them with gaurding a dragon egg. But when he found out that there was a dragon rider he might have moved it because then someone would be able to steal it from him again.
I think the vault of souls will make Eragon strong enough to kill Gallobatorix. As it says in the book "...When all is lost and your power is insufficent, go to the rock of Kuthian and speak your name to open the Vault of Souls" (Eragon page 206) -Matt
-Ya but first eragon has to find out his name, his REAL name and we dont know when that is going to happen..
I know I should have said this in the end, but no one will know what I'm talking about if I do. Eragon may well have a real name, but remember how powerful the plain name ERAGON is. What if that is his real name? The original Eragon could have created the Vault of Souls in the first place. Samuss
If Eragon was his true name, then multitudes of people would be able to control him already. The Twins could have, anyone might have unintentionally. I don't think that's his true name.-Halfelven
ok think about what you just said. he has to find his real name but we dont know when he does? ah no think on that if you read the first two books you will remember that he did not find his name anywhere in those two so that narrows it down pretty sufficiently i think. if eragon finds his name he will find it in book three.--Murtagh5.
I agree about the souls part. I think that the efls more then likly know about it because When Eragon asks Ormius about how Galby gains more power each year Ormius counters with something along the lines of Eragon isn't ready to know yet, right? Also when they go to rescue katrina they will probaly stumble into the vault of souls if it is in Helgrind. Well thats all I think-Yacob
I think that Eragon will get the green egg in Vault of souls AKA Helgrind because he is going there to fight the Raz'ac with Roran. So while there there they come opon this big door Eragon mutters his name because Saphira tells him to and bame a green egg the soulds are gone weakening Galby and Murtagh then Eragon kills galby will his new sword and the new dragon rider Raz'ac dead, galby dead, murtag swiches sides. Roran rulzs, Murtagh finds wild dragons and mates starts new rider ppl population in Alagaesia. Eragon
Besides, we don't know if it means his true name or common name..... Like someone said, someone could've named the password after the first rider..... who knows maybe Galby did...... Eragon actually seems like a likely password. AFM
About Eragon's real name, I found a passage in Eragon which hints about it.When Eragon is interrogated by Durza,I read something like this:: 'How can I tell him my true name,I don't even know it myself!'Then it struck him ,a name which he could fake.However he decided to take a chance and scare the Shade.He deftly switched a few letters...' The resulting name was Du Sundhavar Freohr Now what do these words remind me of? The first Eragon was also the first rider off them all. The Eragon we know is the first rider of the new generation of riders.Therefore could'nt his true name be Du Shurt'ugal (First in the Ancient language)This is the literal meaning.The true meaning of this phrase is the first rider,which is true for both Eragons.Also this will help you understand this:
Du Sundhavar Freohr
Du Shurt'ugal(First)
Answer: Eragon's destiny is to be the first rider yet again. -Eragonshadeslayer
No... I believe Shurt'ugal is the word for rider in the AL right? Just looked it up... my bad.... it's more specific.... it's Dragon Rider. So Shurt'ugal IS dragon rider, not first. Also, The Dragon Rider... come one.... people have said it in normal conversation... often.... Hey.... I just had an interesting thought.... if Shurt'ugal is Dragon Rider, then shouldn't Galby be able to make Eragon explode with whatever words are make the Rider explode?????? AFM
I meant that Eragon's name is the first rider.In the ancient language the words that describe the nouns come afterthe nouns.and Galbatorix can't destroy Eragon like that because he woul have to spacify on which rider he would like to destroy,thus know Eragon's true name.The other reson is that Galbatorix could destroy Eragon like that,only that Eragon happens to be just a few hundred miles away from him!-Eragonshadeslayer
1. Galby could. He is definately strong enough to kill some1 for that far away. The only problem is that he doesnt know where he is. 2. Eragon cant be the first dragon rider "again"... that doesnt make sence at all. He may have been the first rider of his generation but he isnt the first rider. 3. Eragon didnt know his true name in the first place. If you rthink about it the elves knew everyones tru ename when they saw them. They most likely chose not to tell Eragon for fear of what wold happen when he was captured.- the very very wise
I know this will sound stupid but what if the Vault of Souls Can be move from place to place,and right now it's in murtagh's head. If not could Murtagh be a shade?-me
No i dont think so, especially the one about it being in his head. THats just rediculous. NOw the him being a shade is possible but highly unlikly, more then likly its just the fact that galby is within his mind since he was force to swear alegence to him in the al, so thats more then likely what it is.--Eragon man 10:29, 20 September 2007 (PDT)
Yeah but wht's up with all the souls in his head????????????
Glaby can probably harness the power of the souls from the vault without moving it whatever or wherever it is. He also gave Murtagh the power to do so. I think tha souls are drawn from the vault when used. They might even put the souls back in the vault if they feel no threat of a fight. (Darksmithy)
Sorry 'me' but as far as I can tell the only thing that Eragon could do by speaking his name to the Vault of Souls (which as you put it is supposed to be in Murtagh"s head)is only to reveal it to Murtagh. No I think that the Vault of Souls is either in Helgrind, the Spine or in the Hadarac Desert.- Eragonshadeslayer
you know that covers most of the known world for this particular book right?-Leon
Okay, somewhere somebody mentioned that Murtagh's head "contained multitudes," I just found the quote for that, it's in Eldest page 640 near the bottom: "The conciousness of the Rider felt strange to Eragon, as if it contained multitudes; scores of distinct voices whispered in the caverns of his mind, like imprisoned spirits begging for release." I bet that Galbatorix is in charge of the Vault and taught Murtagh how to use it and get the power of these thingummy-whatsits. I doubt they're souls, because on page 440, Glaedr tells Eragon and Saphira that if the flesh of a living creature is destroyed, then so is the soul. It's confusing. Meggie
I agree with you on the first part about Murtagh's Mind but, about the second part about Glaedr's explanation, he only destroys the rat"s body, and thus any soul by a physical way, and perhaps there is a spell for removing the soul from the body with out damaging it. Kind of like the Harry Potter horcrux spell. -Eragonshadeslayer
well, the whole harry potter thing is very different, but it could be that you would cast a spell on them so that when they die the soul gets sent to the vault of souls-Leon
This is all really good. So you mean that maybe Murtagh has had access to the Vault of Souls? And, given that Murtagh probably didn't know his true name when Galby used it to bind him to his service, Galby must have told him to go and speak his (Murtagh's) true name and open the Vault. That could be why there were the 'multitudes', and that could be why he knew all of those impossible, complex spells. The souls may have given Murtagh the knowledge and the power to perform them. --I Believe
I think that the vault of souls is hidden in the spine cause galby lost half an army in there which made it a place where people dont go so i think galby lost his army on purpose so he could put the vault of souls in without anyone finding it.
It might be, but if it's in the Spine then it would have to be somewhere that nobody, absolutely NOBODY would find it. Eragon was hunting there in the first book, and all of Carvahall went gallavanting straight through it, so I'm not entirely sure. Besides, if the Vault is in the spine, then why would the Ra'zac be at Helgrind? It seems awful far away, even for someone who can fly. I don't think that Galby would take the risk. Meggie
also, the urgals live in the spine-Leon
There is a point where Eragon asks the real name of magic, and learns that it is unknown. It's entirely possible, and probable, that the vault contains this information - among other things.
Cool theory. I think it's just like the extra souls give them(Galby and Murtagh) all that extra strength and possibly knowledge. So when Eragon has no hope and Galby is too strong, he has to go there and get that extra strength to beat him, I guess. Also, I was wondering, does anyone know what religion CP is? Cause this whole thing about souls being able to be captured and put somewhere in Alagaesia is kind of disturbing(to me). He puts the elves as aetheist and the dwarves have their gods and humans think there are gods but they don't really have a religion. So...what does he believe? And, back to the true name discussion, there was an idea on the Misc. page that his true name was brisingr. Just thought I'd throw that out there.-Halfelven
What is the Vault of Souls, and where is it located?
The vault od souls is a vault, made of what I do not know, were all the souls Galbitorix has killed remain. He draws power from it. Where it is located? I do not know. It could be Helgrind, in the middle of Du Welden Varden, or in the boar's eye. --Kystra 13:49, 9 January 2007 (EST)
one question. what is the boar's eye? i must have forgotten since i last read the books. -Eringon I think Helgrind is where the vault of souls is. You would need a dragon to get to the entrance to the razacs cave. It is righ outside dras leona a well defended city and it is close to UraBean.
The Boar's eye is a huge whirlpool in-between Bierland and Nia. Carvahall cross it when they are escaping the Empire to Surda. --Kystra 15:50, 3 February 2007 (EST)
oh, now i remember, thank you. i think the most likely one of those three places to have the vault of souls would be Helgrind. i fully agree with you that all the souls Galbatorix has killed are stored there. Murtagh probably draws his extrodanarily strong power from there too. maybe, when Eragon and Roran go to find Katrina in Helgrind, they will find the vault of souls and Eragon will be able to have as much power as Galbatorix and Murtagh. to make it even better, the green dragon egg could be in or near the vault of souls. then Eragon could take the egg back to the varden and it would hatch for whoever it it's supposed to hatch for. - Eringon
i think the vault of souls is in a dwarven city. The dwarves mine and live around rock, so why wouldn't they have a "rock of kuthain"? Also in eldest, arya mentions that she has heard the name before, but she couldn't remember where. She DID travel through the dwarf dwellings, so she might have heard the name there. Also, the first part of Solembum's prophesy said about the Menoa tree, which was with the elves, so why shouldn't the rock of Kuthain be with the dwarves? Any thoughts? -~~Jakk
I like that Idea. Good point. But the whole, meona tree with the elves, that kind of goes against your whole litttle rant. --Kystra 08:00, 8 February 2007 (EST)
i agree with Kystra. - Eringon
I agree with Eringon on the fact that the vault of souls is probably in Helgrind because I don't think Galby would risk the elves/dwarves discovering the vault of souls in one of their cities and destroy or start drawing power from it. I know it would be less suspicious to loate somwhere far from Helgrind, but it would be very risky as well. And does Eragon have to speak his name 'Eragon' or his true name to open the vault? What do you think? --Mel
If Murtagh has visited the Vault of Souls, and the last dragon egg is hidden inside it, why couldn't Murtagh just take the egg out of the Vault - privsy
i think he will have to speak his true name, because then, anyone could open the vault of souls without even talking to an elf to find out their true name. they would just speak their given name. this way, CP will kill two birds with one stone by answering two very large questions all of the readers have. what is Eragon's real name, and where is the vault of souls. - Eringon
It's not speak a persons true name. The password to open it is coincidentally (or maybe not) Eragon's true name. AFM
what makes you think that? in my opinion, the person who opens it only has to know their true name to open the vault, not including an elf because they all know theirs. not many people know their true name, so that would make only a few people in the whole land eligable even to open it. - Eringon
Brom probably knew his true name. Many riders probably have, and one easily could have said it at the Rock of Kuthain. I think Galbatorix may have made a password, or nature herself for that matter, that is coincidentally Eragon's true name. AFM
possibly... - Eringon
could be...--Svits 18:36, 14 April 2007 (PDT)Svits
If the riders knew their true names, Galbatorix would have just controlled the riders, rather than kill them. If the Password was Eragon true name, then he would be weak, because Galbatorix could force it out of eragon.--Kystra 15:16, 16 April 2007 (PDT)
Ah but he cant force out what isnt known, now can he. If eragon doesnt know his true name then how would galbatorix force it out of him. And the password doesnt have to protain to one riders true name but any true name of any rider, but you see galbatorix wouldnt have to know all of them to open or use it.--Eragon man 21:12, 16 April 2007 (PDT)
what if it only has to be someone pure of heart. Eragon IS pure of heart, right? - Eringon
No he wouldn't have known the riders true names. They woulda kept them secret. My guess is it just happens to be Eragons, or maybe it's just his common name.... AFM
What if its the true name of the person who's trying to open it? T hat would make sense(I think).--Svits 18:46, 21 April 2007 (PDT)Svits
But Eragon doesn't know his true name, and I dbout he'll ask someone else. AFM
I only said the password could be the true name of the person who's trying to open it, not that that person would necessarily know his/her true name.--Svits 16:29, 29 April 2007 (PDT)Svits
Ahhhhhhhh. But eragon has to know his true name to speak it in order to open the vault of souls (chances of saying it for no reason in the ancient language in the right spot are EXTREMELY small) AFM
Again, I never said he knew his true name. Obviously, he has to find out what it is before opening the vault.--Svits 10:11, 13 May 2007 (PDT)Svits
I don't think he will find out his true name until close to the end of Book III. Don't ask me why, I just have that gut feeling. I'm trying to say that if he doesn't know it, he's not going to say it right in the right spot. If he does know it though.... AFM
mmm...--Svits 17:50, 26 May 2007 (PDT)Svits
Earlier someone said something about Galbatorix not wanting others to know about the Vault of Souls. Who says he has any idea what it is? I personally think it's a dragon thing, not a dwarf or Galbatorix thing. My guess is that it's the Stone of Broken Eggs. You know, Rock of Kuthian, Stone of (broken) Eggs. Maybe the dragons have their own language and Kuthian is Dragon for "Broken Eggs". Also, CP kind of threw the Stone of Broken Eggs into Eldest, so I'm guessing it will be important later. I don't know what's inside, but Eragon's supposed to open it only when there is no hope, so maybe it has another dragon egg or something inside.
Dragons don't have a language. I think it's in Eldest... .which means I can't give a page number b/c I can't find it. But it's one of the only ways to explain Galbatorix's and Murtaghs increasing power... I think it's in Helgrind. AFM
it never says that the dragons dont have a language, but during Eragons training it does say that the bond between elves and dragons gave dragons the gift of speech and rational thought( elves were more affected with infinite life and maybe stronger magic)and if helgrind is the rock of kuthian or the vault of souls( or both) then that meansEragon could hae just asked Oromis about them, ecause Oromis does know how galbatorix is gaining power ever year. also, just puting this out there, but i think the grey folk will have something to do with it.-Leon
That's a good point, I'll look into that. -Heir of Eragon
just in my own mind, but reading about the "rock of kuthian" conjures up images of the ocean, like with waves crashing against it, fierce wind, etc. just a-thinkin. and i don't think galbatorix knows about the vault of souls, or at least, doens't know how to use it. since eragon probably needs the vault to defeat galbatorix, that would mean that it would give him power over the king, which wouldn't happen of galbatorix already was using it -notanothernameshamelesslytakenfromthebooks
Eragon could gain power over the King even if he was already using it. If Eragon were to destroy it, or prevent Galbatorix from drawing on its power, or whatever, then that would give Eragon power over him. If you were trying to stay up really late and couldn't do so without caffine, and I stole all of your coffee, that would give me power over you. That was a rather obscure comparison, but I couldn't think of a better one. --ChrisTYbjartskular 20:08, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
Hey has anyone thought about the Isidar Mithrim, being the rock, you know the thing that was destroyed to distract Durza. I mean its unlikely now because its broken but if Saphira is true and fixes it. . . . I know its out there
